Welcome to episode 58 of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



In this episode, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach and journalist Jo Confino talk about healing the body. Brother Phap Huu is back in Plum Village after five weeks since undergoing surgery on one of his knees, and ready to discuss dealing with ill health after 21 years as a practitioner of mindfulness. How do we accept what is going on in our bodies and also heal and be present?  



The conversation touches upon many relevant topics such as deep endurance of pain and suffering; being mindful of our body, coming home to our body; recognizing ‘the fear’; Thich Nhat Hanh’s own journey of being in the hospital and dealing with health issues (as recalled by his attendants); accepting the present moment; learning to be teachers; impermanence, and more.Thank you for listening. Enjoy!







Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ 



With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/







List of resources 



Gatha Poemshttps://plumvillage.org/mindfulness/extended-practises 



‘How to Dwell Happily in the Present Moment’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjfGvC-55GQ 



Stepping Into Freedomhttps://plumvillage.org/books/stepping-into-freedom 



‘The Five Earth Touchings’https://plumvillage.org/key-practice-texts/the-five-earth-touchings Sister True Dedicationhttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/sister-hien-nghiem 



Brother Phap Linhhttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh 



Neural pathwayhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_pathway 



‘The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village’ https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village 







Quotes



“In Buddhism, dying is not just the moment when we breathe our last breath, dying is in every moment because dying, the ‘no birth, no death’, is the insight that there’s always birth and there’s always death in every moment. And that’s why we are ever changing and recognizing that we have to learn to let go of everything we hold dear to us, even our good health. We have to learn to let go of that. And our true belongings are our actions of body, speech and mind.”



“The only moments we’re going to have in life is the present moment. The past will become a memory, will become lessons, will become a legacy. And the future is not yet here. So all we have is the present moment.”



“The present moment always teaches us to accept, let go, embrace and dance with what we have.”