Welcome to episode 16 of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



In this episode, the presenters, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino, are joined by special guest, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Linh (Brother Spirit). Together, they discuss eco-anxiety, the challenges of and solutions for shifting to a new paradigm which can heal us and our planet, and whether it’s possible to change our minds, hearts, and future. Plus: how can you be at peace in what feels like a battlefield? 



The conversation touches upon “the decisive decade”; individualism and competition; interdependence; handling fear; transformation; change in “the age of collective procrastination”; and opportunities in difficult times. Is it possible to ‘sit’ with collapse? 



Brother Phap Linh (Brother Spirit) shares his journey of transformation, from studying sciences at Cambridge, to numerous retreats, and eventual monastic life. 



He further talks about creating transformation at both personal and collective levels; the cult of individualism; societal numbness; handling the energy of negativity; the basis of understanding reality, and what nourishes our views and beliefs; the economic conceit ‘the tragedy of the commons’; creating shared visions and aspirations; and telling new stories. And how do you change your view when you’re caught in the old paradigm?



Brother Phap Huu shares insights on how to not lose ourselves in a fast-paced environment, and looks at: fundamental questions; procrastination; individual aspirations; becoming free from attachment; striving and the importance of stopping; learning in the community; the Six Harmonies; and the joy of sharing.



There’s also important advice for those ‘burning out’ in the environmental movement.Jo recollects Thich Nhat Hanh’s speech to the members of the UK Parliament and his thoughts on conflictual political systems. He further muses on the lasting joy of community life. 



The episode ends with a short meditation on gratitude and Mother Earth, guided by Brother Phap Linh. 







Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ 



With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 







List of resources 



Brother Phap Linh (Brother Spirit)https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh/ 



Richard Dawkinshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins 



The tragedy of the commonshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons 



Elinor Ostromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom 



Music for Difficult Timeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YarhXTDs8Z4‘Introduction to Namo Avalokiteshvara’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjBUZrrqAVQ 



Kundunhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KundunGandhihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhi_(film) 



Comfortably Numbhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfortably_NumbSiddharthahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_(novel) 



The Matrixhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix 



Dharma Talks: ‘The Four Noble Truths: Vulture Peak Gathering’https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/the-four-noble-truths-vulture-peak-gathering-2016-06-04-lower-hamlet-sr-dinh-nghiem/



Multi-level selection theoryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperation_%28evolution%29#Multi-level_selection



The Five Mindfulness Trainingshttps://plumvillage.org/mindfulness-practice/the-5-mindfulness-trainings/ 



The Fourteen Mindfulness Trainingshttps://plumvillage.org/mindfulness-practice/the-14-mindfulness-trainings/ 







Quotes



“When everything is motivated by love, you don’t burn out.”



“My dad wrote me a letter that said, ‘You know, in life, it’s not for me to hand you a rose, but to han