How do I know when I'm in perimenopause or menopause? How can I stay positive during this change when I’m feeling so crappy about myself? Judy and Anne speak with Kate Codrington, a UK-based menopause mentor, activist, podcaster, and the author of "Second Spring: the guide to self-care for menopause."  Kate shares her techniques for recognizing the natural life stages women go though, including menopause, which in Chinese culture, is called the “Second Spring.” By listening to your needs and wants, you learn acceptance and kindness, not only towards others, but, more importantly, to oneself.Learn more:https://smart.bio/kate_codrington/