Phil and Chris delve into the question: What reigns supreme, the classic ATC or the innovative GriGri? Join us as we embark on a comprehensive exploration, comparing and contrasting these two climbing essentials from multiple angles. We break down the pros and cons through the lens of program goals, training strategies, risk assessment, and financial considerations. Whether you're an adventure educator pondering your next gear upgrade or an avid listener seeking a deeper understanding of belaying essentials, this episode promises to give you experienced opinions on the use of these 2 pieces of belay gear. Submit your questions to the team; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com