If you’ve ever suffered from joint pain or inflammation, you know just how much it can take a toll on your quality of life. Whether you’re an athlete suffering from a sports-related injury or someone who’s noticed more and more aches and pains as you’ve gotten older, finding a solution to joint pain can seem almost impossible. Luckily, my guest today is here to talk about the light therapy device that ​​is a game-changer for pain management.   I’m joined by Forrest Smith, the CEO of Kineon Labs, to dive into the benefits of using light therapy to reduce joint pain. We discuss how localized inflammation has the potential to spread through the body if not addressed, and how red light can target specific reservoirs. We also talk about the balance of cartilage regrowth and degradation, and the benefits of Kineon Lab’s MOVE+ Pro.   Forrest Smith has a 20-year history of building successful startups in tech hardware. He is an entrepreneurial optimist and passionate about health, wellness, and advancing technology to help others. Forrest speaks, reads, and writes fluent Chinese and has spent his adult life building amazing products around innovative supply chains. He grew up playing competitive sports in Atlanta and regularly participates in rugby matches and trains CrossFit, which ultimately led him to develop Kineon Lab’s Move+: a modular, targeted laser therapy device for neuromuscular pain and inflammation. Thank you to our sponsors for making this episode possible: Use code NAT10 to save 10% at https://kineon.io/ Paleo Valley: Use discount code paleovalley.com/natalie LMNT: Use Drinklmnt.com/NAT to get 8 free single serves with any order to try different flavors. Mitopure: Use code NAT10 for 10% your order at https://www.timelinenutrition.com/shop/nutrition Find more from Nathalie: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmholC48MqRC50UffIZOMOQ Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/biohackingsuperhumanperformance Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathalieniddam/ Website: NatNiddam.com Join Nat’s Membership Community: https://www.natniddam.com/bsp-community Work with Nat: Book Your 20 Minute Optimization Consult: https://calendly.com/nniddam/intro-call?month=2021-08   Find more from Forrest Smith: Website:  https://kineon.io/ Instagram: @kineon_labs Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/302581657766248   What we discuss: [00:00:50] Kineon Labs’ approach to helping people solve their joint pain  [00:04:23] The benefits of red light therapy  [00:08:34] How does red light target specific reservoirs? [00:12:37] The balance of cartilage regrowth and degradation [00:18:10] Why it’s important to address localized inflammation [00:25:39] Treating the underlying mechanisms of what's causing pain  [00:35:05] The different types of protocols the MOVE+ Pro offers [00:39:58] Who can benefit from MOVE+ Pro [00:46:05] Future products coming to Kineon Labs [00:56:31] How surgery can lead to trauma in the tissue [00:59:46] Can MOVE+ Pro be used in multiple areas during a session? Key Takeaways: Cartilage, the slow-growing but ever-evolving tissue in our bodies, plays a crucial role in supporting our joints and bones. Similar to bones, cartilage grows gradually and follows a unique process involving specialized cells called chondroblasts. These chondroblasts can be stimulated to proliferate faster through the application of infrared and red light treatment. Locally generated inflammation damages more than just the regional delivery of blood- it also damages the blood vessel tissue throughout the rest of your body, which is a main cause of long term cardiovascular disease. By addressing the localized inflammation, you're preventing it from spreading to the rest of the body. Infrared light has the ability to interact with proteins like hemoglobin, cytochrome C oxidase, and other heme proteins in the mitochondria. By targeting these proteins with infrared light, it reduces the affinity of nitric oxide for their bi