Podcast Description Working with families for the past 20 years I’ve seen the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to relationship issues. There has been no shortage of relationship stories from life in the trenches, including a dad leaving in the middle of the night to go to Vegas just 3 days into postpartum! Despite its prevalence in society, divorce remains such a taboo topic. People can feel a sense of shame and failure when separating from a partner, and emotions are often running high. So how do we continue to prioritize the children when going through a divorce? And can we reframe divorce to be a positive experience for our kids? In today's epsode, I’m delighted to be joined by Kim Korven, aka The Conflict Queen, who helps us to explore a gentler way through family conflict and reminds us that while you won't be the first or the last to do it, you can do it where everyone wins.   Connect with Kim Visit Kim’s website: www.gentlewaydivorce.com References “High Conflict” by Amanda Ripley “Conscious Uncoupling: 5 Steps to Living Happily Even After” by Katherine Woodward Thomas “Never Split the Difference: Negotiating as if Your Life Depended on It” by Chris Voss Kim Korven’s workbook: how do I tell my husband I want a divorce? If you have further questions about this topic, you can follow Brandi and her work @deardoulapodcast on IG, @brandi_jordan_official IG, and send questions, comments and platitudes to brandi@deardoulapodcast.com. Have a question you want Brandi to answer? Shoot her an email or a DM and she might include it on her next podcast episode!   If you appreciate Dear Doula, please take a minute to subscribe, rate and review! Time Stamps 01:52 - Brandi introduces today’s guest, Kim Korven, who tells us more about herself and her work in helping clients find a gentle way through divorce. 03:38 - Kim gives advice to people who may feel shame for walking away from something that they know is not working for them. 07:17 - Kim discusses how to prioritize the kids when emotions are running high during a divorce. 08:58 - Brandi asks what to do if one person is not willing to be amicable. 11:36 - We find out what often leads people astray from the idea of putting the kids first. 15:59 - We learn what Kim recommends for being able to amicably share resources and the raising of children. 19:45 - Brandi asks Kim how couples can turn it round if emotional hurt is fueling disagreements during a divorce. 23:44 - Kim names some good resources for someone who's looking to be conscious about how they're going about divorce. 25:56 - We hear some words of wisdom for anyone who's going through divorce or thinking about it. 26:40 - Brandi shares how her own parents’ divorce created a lot of positive things for her in her life.