Joel Casse is the Global Head of Leadership Development for Nokia. In this fast paced and insight packed episode, we chat about the importance of leaders managing their own brand to engage and inspire people. We discuss the difficulties for experienced leaders to 'unlearn' decades worth of education, experience and wisdom in order to contemplate new ways of working in an ever changing environment. Joel also shares with me his view on VQ (Vitality Quotient) and how the dilemma of hierarchies is something that leaders need to consider in flat, global and matrixed organisations.