This week on The GoodPractice Podcast, we're talking fundamentals: how do people learn? Nick Shackleton-Jones joins Ross G and Owen to discuss his new book, How People Learn, in which he argues that people don't learn anything if they don't care. Or, to put it in Nick's term, if they don't have an 'affective response'. What does this mean and how should Nick's insights change our approach to designing courses, resources and experiences? Also: we argue about e-learning for ten minutes. If you'd like to share your thoughts on the show, you can find us on Twitter @RossGarnerGP, @OwenFerguson and @ShackletonJones. To find out more about GoodPractice, visit goodpractice.com or tweet us @GoodPractice or @GoodPracticeAus. Nick's book, How People Learn, is available from Amazon at: https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-People-Learn-Designing-Performance/dp/0749484705 Or from the Kogan Page website: https://www.koganpage.com/product/how-people-learn-9780749484705 This episode was reference-heavy, but in most part the references can be found in Nick's book. The TED Radio Hour episode Ross recommended was 'Jumpstarting Creativity', online at: https://www.npr.org/programs/ted-radio-hour/719553183/jumpstarting-creativity The source for the London tube study was: http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/cp455.pdf  The product Owen discussed was GitPrime: https://www.gitprime.com/