Lisa Abend, an American journalist and author based in Copenhagen, has been writing invaluable stories about the pandemic's effect on the chef and restaurant communities worldwide for Vanity Fair. Her recent articles have covered the initial shock and awe, the industry's humanitarian efforts, and the lessons we can take from Sweden's approach.Lisa joins Andrew to expand on her reporting, and share her current thinking about the outlook for the industry.Our great thanks to S.Pellegrino for making these special reports possible.Please consider supporting Andrew Talks to Chefs via our Patreon page–pledge $10 or more per month and gain access to bonus, patron-only episodes, blog posts, polls, and more. Andrew Talks to Chefs is a fully independent podcast and no longer affiliated with our former host network; please visit and bookmark our official website for all show updates, blog posts, personal and virtual appearances, and related information.