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Making Wine Investing Accessible w/ Anthony Zhang, Vinovest

Making Wine Investing Accessible w/ Anthony Zhang, Vinovest

FromXChateau Wine Podcast


Making Wine Investing Accessible w/ Anthony Zhang, Vinovest

FromXChateau Wine Podcast

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Length:
37 minutes
Released:
Oct 20, 2021
Format:
Podcast episode

Description

A serial entrepreneur, Anthony Zhang, was pondering alternative investments and fell into wine.  With superior returns to the S&P 500, less volatility, and low correlation with the stock market, wine investment seemed like a perfect category to democratize with technology.  Anthony tells us why people should consider investing in wine, the Vinovest investment process, and how wine investment may impact the wine industry.  All with a mission of lowering the cost and barriers for the average consumer to invest in wine. Detailed Show Notes: Anthony’s backgroundHe grew up around the world, childhood in Beijing and Hong KongWent to USC for college and founded EnvoyNow, a food delivery service for college campuses with investment from Mark Cuban and Peter ThielWas considering alternative investments and was attracted to wine over others (e.g., art, cars)Wine investing challengesHard to get access to the winesFees for auctions, shipping, and storageInvestment thesis - fine wine has outperformed the S&P 500 over the last 20 years, has half the volatility, and has a low correlation with the stock market (i.e., is a good hedge); wine also has a decreasing supply over time, which enables appreciation over timeVinovest investment processChoose how much to invest, how long to invest in (e.g., 5 vs. 20 years), and your risk appetite (e.g., blue-chip wines like 1st growths or Grand Cru Burgundy or “emerging markets” like newer winemakers, ownership changes, etc.…) => this helps determine which wines to invest inInvest in whole bottles or cases, not fractional bottles or fractions of a portfolioAcquire, store, and insure winesVinovest can help sell wines as wellFees - all-inclusive 2.85% / year asset management feeAccess/procurement of winesShipping and wine storageInsuranceAverage bottle price ~$200-600/bottleAcquire wines below retail by buying direct from negociants or wineriesCurrently managing ~$50M (as of Sept 2021)Can take physical delivery of wines - but often stored in Europe, so can arrange for batch delivery with others to reduce shipping costs (from hundreds of dollars to <$100 for shipping)Valuing wine and liquidityVinovest plugs into major wine exchanges (e.g., Liv-ex, Wine Owners, Cavex, Berry Bros, Bordeaux Index) to gather real-time sales dataSelling wine - only invest in whole bottles and cases, so there are more places to sell to, including retailers and restaurants. Most deals are done offline Good liquidity for 5-15-year-old winesNeed at least a 5 year time horizon to realize returnsInvestable winesNeed scarcity (not available widely), track record of improving with age, and brand equity (a sought after, globally recognized brand)Regional mix - ~25-35% Bordeaux, #2 = Burgundy, #3 = Italy (Super Tuscans, Barolo), small amounts of select producers in California, Chile, Germany; vintage Champagne having a resurgence (e.g. - 1996, 2002 vintages)Algorithm for determining wines backtested back to the 1980sFake/counterfeit winesProvenance/fraud are the most significant risk for newcomers => Vinovest’s insurance company inspects and authenticates the winesVinovest only buys in-bond so can track the previous ownersKey players in the wine investment spaceMainly in Asia and EuropePrivate Banks have wine funds, UK (Vin-X, Wine-ex, Cult Wines)Vinovest differentiation - more technology-driven, collect more data and aggregate it to create automated investment strategiesTo address wine funds that fail - each investor owns their wines with an audit trail that shows the wine is theirs Wine investment impact on the wine industryWine prices may increase as more players enter the investment marketClimate change is  increasing prices through lower yieldsIt won’t impact commercial wines (e.g., $10-20 bottles), but fine winesAuction houses - the modern investor isn’t okay with paying 20-25% premiumsRegulationUS - wine is classified as a collectible, like art or rare coins, and is subject to capital gains tax when sold (self-reported)Int’l - some
Released:
Oct 20, 2021
Format:
Podcast episode

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