Coming to you this week – a little over three years to the day since his last appearance on the show – is Phil Treadwell. Phil is a market leader at Thrive Mortgage where he leads the BREW team in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. He is also the host of the Mortgage Marketing Expert podcast. The last time he appeared on the show the discussion centered on mortgage marketing in a low-rate environment. Now in a distinctly different (savagely unhealthy) market, Treadwell and HW Media CEO Clayton Collins focus their conversation on the opposite: mortgage marketing in a high-interest rate environment. Enjoy the episode!