In this episode, I speak to Matthew Barzun the author of The Power of Giving Away Power: How the Best Leaders Learn to Let Go. Matthew is a former US Ambassador to the United Kingdom and Sweden and served as President Obama’s National Finance Chair. He has always been fascinated with how we can stand out and fit in at the same time. In the conversation, Matthew and I discuss:The constellation mindset Downsides of the traditional pyramid mindset The importance of broadening our perspectiveWhy we should embrace uncertaintyHow to think about wisdom and much moreConnect with Matthew Barzun:Homepage: matthewbarzun.com/Twitter: twitter.com/matthewbarzunFollow In Search of Wisdom:Twitter: twitter.com/searchofwisdomInstagram: instagram.com/searchofwisdompodcastSign-up for The PATH our free newsletter (short reflections on wisdom).  Get full access to Perennial Meditations at perennial.substack.com/subscribe