In this episode: 00:45- How Patrick went from an MFA to opening a cabinet shop and working as a general contractor 7:09- How Patrick grew his design/build business 12:52- How working with fabricators and manufacturers has informed Patrick's art-making methods 13:47- Patrick explains what "fabrication" means in the context of design/build work 19:10- How Patrick has made the transition from contracting to creating fine art clay pottery 21:49- How 2D art is different from 3D art, and the unique challenges of each type of work 24:09- Where Patrick is headed next with his art 27:40- Patrick describes the state of being "in the zone" that he reaches when working in clay 30:45- How Patrick learned to manage the logistics of a busy practice and business