Creating proper flow in your product development is hard. Applying proper metrics might just give you that nudge that you need in order to open up the lines to delivery of value. But where to start? There are so many sources that suggest different things! Will Seele joins Sander to discuss his and Dan Vacanti’s new book: Flow Metrics for Scrum Teams.  What you’ll discover in this show:-        It's easy to apply the first metrics -       Failing isn't bad at all, it creates resilience  -      Will's stance on the KanBan vs Scrum debate Speakers: Wilbert Seele I will help you thrive in uncertaintyMy focus areas include organizational and behavioral design as well as Evidence-Based Management. I’ve been involved in several major transformations in sectors such as banking, insurance, and marketing, and these days I’m often asked to provide a 'second opinion on the quality of product development and delivery organizations. Besides this, I’m a Professional Scrum Trainer for Scrum.org and a Professional Kanban Trainer with Prokanban.org.Contact Will:https://www.linkedin.com/in/wjseele/  Sander Dur (host)Scrum Master, Agile Coach, trainer, and podcast host for ‘Mastering Agility”Sander Dur is a Professional Scrum Trainer at Scrum.org, podcast host of Mastering Agility, Professional Scrum Master and Lead Agile Consultant, and trainer at Xebia. Besides this, he's an avid writer for predominantly Serious Scrum on Medium.com. Sander has a major passion for the human side in complex domains. Ensuring a high level of psychological safety, therefore, is a critical part of his work. Organizations in complex domains can only survive when innovating. Innovation can only take place with the right balance between low social friction and high intellectual friction. While most organizations now understand how to apply Agile frameworks, they struggle with the delivery of value. Psychological safety is the next step in this evolution and Sander has a huge drive to help organizations reach that step. Sander is enthusiastic, open-minded, and ambitious. He finds interpersonal relationships and intrinsic motivations very important in team dynamics. Besides his work, Sander loves to spend time with his family, enjoys sports and eating healthy, barbecuing, riding his motorcycle, and traveling.  Let’s connect! Sander is always up for new connections and discussions! Masteringagility.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanderdur/ https://xebia.com/academy/nl/trainers/sander-dur https://sander-dur.medium.com/ Additional resources: https://prokanban.org/scrum-flow-metrics/ https://agileforhumans.com/ Lost Connections - Johann HarriDiscord community: https://discord.gg/6YJamBJxUVSupport the show