We’re two years into the pandemic by now, and things have changed forever. One of those is the way we build products. Not just team-work wise, but just as much the way product ownership has changed.Kai Stevens is one of the most awesome Product Owners/Product Managers that I know, so I decided to ask him to come on the show and talk about what he feels has changed and how deals with these changes.What you’ll discover in this show:-        The pandemic has provided opportunities, for instance by deleting location restrictions -        Due to missing body language, new ways of stakeholder engagement are needed -        OKRs are still highly useful and might even provide more guidance than ever before Speakers: Kai Stevens Group Product Manager Device Experience at tado° || Product Leadership || Product Owner Trainer at Scrum FacilitatorsPassionate product owner driven to build game-changing (software) products together with inspiring people. Guiding and collaborating closely with leadership teams and multi-disciplinary development teams to maximize value. I am experienced in all aspects of product ownership ranging from vision and strategy all the way down to tactics. Colleagues find me pushing the limits to release early and often to validate assumptions and deliver value in rapid pace. When working with me you will experience a compelling WHY at any time while I leave the HOW to others with clear boundaries to become successful.Contact Kai:Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaistevens/Sander Dur (host)Scrum Master, Agile Coach, trainer, and podcast host for ‘Mastering Agility”Sander Dur is a Professional Scrum Trainer at Scrum.org, podcast host of Mastering Agility, Professional Scrum Master and Lead Agile Consultant, and trainer at Xebia. Besides this, he's an avid writer for predominantly Serious Scrum on Medium.com. Sander has a significant passion for the human side in complex domains. Ensuring a high level of psychological safety, therefore, is a critical part of his work. Organizations in complex domains can only survive when innovating. Innovation can only take place with the right balance between low social friction and high intellectual friction. While most organizations now understand how to apply Agile frameworks, they struggle with the delivery of value. Psychological safety is the next step in this evolution and Sander has a huge drive to help organizations reach that step.  He gained experience as a Scrum Master, Agile Coach, and Leadership consultant in many different top-tier organizations, including Nike and ASML.  Masteringagility.org https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanderdur/ https://xebia.com/academy/nl/trainers/sander-dur https://sander-dur.medium.com/ Additional resources: PSPO-A by Kai: https://www.scrumfacilitators.nl/etn/pspo-a-19-20-may-2022/Mastering Agility events: https://www.meetup.com/mastering-agility/ Discord community: https://discord.gg/6YJamBJxUVSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/masteringagility)