Help is here for having those uncomfortable conversations... like whether or not there such a thing as reverse-racism, what's going on when people ask about white lives matter, how is racism different than prejudice, developmental models of racial identity, colorism, self-hatred and so on. This is a rich dialog that will be an interesting, hopefully shame-free conversation starter. We hope you share this episode widely and follow up with discussions about what you think with one another, or take action with the resource section in the show notes. Thank you Christine Schmidt and Rudy Lucas for the inspiration and the conversation!