Phil, Lonnie and Rob get an earful from irrepressible fitness veteran John Davies. Theories, facts, and questions fly. When did marketing supplant the best parts of training, namely quality of life and community? Why does fitness culture change so quickly these days? What's wrong with thinking, skepticism, and sobriety in today's market? This episode is not just for you curmudgeons. It's time to reflect and reconnect with your passion for the game - without feeling the need for a Like button!