Why There Is No Deity, Except Allah?!: Why There is no Deity, Except Allah, #4

By Dawah Compilations

This is well organized and structured Dawah Book, which is a compilation of many Dawah videos and Debate.

This book counters most of the arguments of Atheism, Evolution and False Christian beliefs. 

This is the main Book and a big one, you can also download individual parts of the book as well, under the name of, "Why Not Atheism?!", "Why Not Evolution?!", and "Why Not Christianity?!". If you are only interested in one part, you can download it, if you want everthing in big large book, you can download this book.

Hope to Guide people to their Real creator, The only One God, Allah, So That they enjoy an amazing life and afterlife!!

• Language: English
• Publisher: General Dawah
• Release date: Feb 23, 2024
• ISBN: 9798224021642

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Dawah Made Easy

Why There Is No Deity, Except Allah?!

Debunking Atheism!!

Debunking Agnosticism!!

Debunking Evolution!!

Debunking Christianity!!

Introduction

All Thanks Goes for All DAWAH channels who contributed in spreading DAWAH.

This is Just a compilation of their Hard work !!!

So that their hard work and Dawah is very Easy, organized and well structured!!

Be aware, they maybe they miss sometimes, everyone can make mistakes. So please refer to original Islamic books for reference as this is just compilation of their work. So do not take everything for granted, and GOD knows best !

Hope ALLAH accepts their efforts, And reward them in this life and after life

In Alphabetical order

1-English Channels/Speakers:

Abdullah al Andalusi

Abdullah Khadra

Abdurraheem Green

Adnan Rashid

Ahmed Deedat

Al Baseerah Project for Islamic Research

Ali Ataie

Ali Dawah

Daniel Haqiqatjou

Dawah Den Team

Dawah Is Easy Team

Dawah Over Dunya Team

EF Dawah Team

Hamza Den

Hamza Kamarali

Hamza Tzortzis

Hamza Speakers Corner Team

Hashim Speakers Corner Team

I am The Warner

Ibrahim Abdulilah

Jeffrey Lang

Kamel el Mekki

Khalid Yasin

Mansur Speakers Corner Team

Many prophets one message Team

Mohammed Hijab

Mohamed Hoblos

Mohammed Speakers Corner Team

Muhammed Ali

Mustafa Speakers Corner Team

Osama Speakers Corner Team

Paul Williams

Raihan Speakers Corner TeamSubboor Ahmed

Shabir Ally

Smile 2 Jannah Team

Talk Islam Team

Towards Eternity YouTube Team

Uthman Ibn Farooq

Yusha Evans

Zakir Hussain

Zakir Naik

2- Arabic Channels/Speakers:

Ahmed Galal

Alaa Hamed

Aly Hassib

Bassam Jarrar

Haitham Talaat

Hazem Shouman

Mohammed Elghaleez

Rateb el Nabulsi

Sheikh El Shaarawi

Zajlol Al Najjar

3- Books

1. Let The Bible Speak

2. Similarities between Muhammed S.A.W and major prophets in the bible

3.The Divine Reality: God, Islam & The Mirage of Atheism

4-Special Non Muslim Scientists in Evolution

Answers in Genesis Team and Discovery Science Team

Contents

PART 1 WHY NOT ATHEISM???

Arguments For GOD existence and ONENESS of the Creator:

A) Creation Process:

1- Creator Approach

2- Dependency Approach

B) Creation Perfection:

3- Designer Approach

4- Purposeful Design Approach

5- Intelligent Design Approach

6- Godly Finely Tuned Design Approach

7- All Capable Design Approach

8- Complex Design Approach

9- Beautiful Design Approach

C) Numerous Creation:

10- Diverse design approach

11- The Unique ID approach

12- Sustenance of the Universe approach

13- Balance in the Universe approach

D) Guidance of the Creation:

14- Guidance of Creation approach

15- Perfection in Tailoring the abilities of the Diverse Creation

16- The protection of the Creation

17- Tailored Universe for Life and For Human approach

E) Life approaches :

18- Moral argument

19- Purpose of life argument

20- Afterlife approach

21- Spiritual approach

22- Evil & Suffering approach

23- Questions on afterlife & Destiny

24- Famous Quotes of Atheists during death approach

25- Uncertainity Approach.

26- Trust Approach.

27- Rapid Version: Why we need God

28-37: Alternative approaches

PART 2: WHY NOT EVOLUTION ???

1- Quick Debunk for Evolution (For very basic discussions):

A) Quick rational evolution debunk

B) Quick Scientific & logic debunk

2- Detailed Debunk of Evolution (for Expert discussion):

A) Evolution Is not A Science, instead Fallacies & pseudoscience

B) What Is Evolution

1- Cosmic Evolution

2- Organic Evolution

3- Cambrian Explosion

4- Macroevolution.

5- Microevolution.

C) Majority Vs Minority Opinions

D) Evolution Test of Time.

E) False Evidence which Evolution is based upon

1- Key Time argument

2- Look alike/ Homology Argument

3- Microevolution/Divergent Evolution

4- Mutations.

5- Natural Selection

6- Ongoing Devolution

7- Organs: Vestigial organs

8- Pregnancy & embryology

9- Quantity of Genes

10- Remnants / Fossils

PART 3 WHY NOT CHRISTIANITY ???

How Christianity was changed:

A) Changing Core of Christianity from Monotheism to Polytheism

1) General argument against Any Polytheism

2) If God can do anything, so He can become Human

3) Specific Argument Against Jesus being GOD

4) Equivocal Verses Used to prove Jesus is God

4) Arguments Against the Trinity & how it Evolved

5) Crucifixion & Resurrection + Reliability of the Gospels?

B) Changing The law of Christianity

1) How Muslim Follow Jesus & prior prophets more than Christians

2) Paul & How he changed the Law & Salvation

3) Muhammed PBUH, To restore the law, mentioned in the bible?

C) Changing the Bible words, Multiple Evidenece :

1) Pornography.

2) Corrupt laws in the bible

3) Scientific Errors (50+)

4) Bible Contradictions (100+)

5) Bible False Prophecies

PART 4 Common Misconceptions about Islam

1) Polygamy

2) Polyandry

3) Marrying Non-Muslim

4) Slavery & Captives of War

5) Early Marriage of Prophet PBUH

6) Hijab

7) Quick Notes of Islam spread by Swords misconception.

### PART 1 WHY NOT ATHEISM??? ###

1. Creator approach

The First Piece of Evidence for a Creator is the ‘Law of Cause and Effect’ or Causality

# Cosmological Argument #

Everything that begins to exist, or change has to have a cause.

The universe has a beginning, so it has cause. Someone Caused it to exist.

God unlike universe, doesn't have a beginning, so no cause, led to its existence. He is eternal.

Name of Allah, The Creator":

He creates from nothing. Complete Nothingness

1. Can we agree, everything that Exists has only 2 possibilities Quick approach):

A) It Always Existed.

B) It Had a Beginning.

Now if it....

A. Always Existed: It would mean it goes back infinitely [forever] and that’s just not possible (infinite regress & dependency rules, see later)

And We Even know now that Universe had a Beginning, the bigbang and universe expansion.

The other possibility...

B. It Had a Beginning. And If it had a Beginning it must have either:

a) Created Itself.

b) Something caused it to come into being, this is Causality.

Now if it....

a) ‘Created itself’ would mean it would have to exist and not exist at the same time which is impossible.

The other possibility...

b) ‘Something caused it’. This means that there must be a cause for anything to come into being.

The ultimate cause for everything is, we believe The Creator. You are probably wondering who made this Creator.

2. Room Example (Detailed approach):

Isolated Room:

Imagine you find yourself sitting in the corner of a room. The door that you entered through is now completely sealed. There is no way of entering or exiting. The walls, ceiling and floor are made up of stone. All you can do is stare into open, empty space, surrounded by cold, dark, and stony walls. Due to immense boredom, you fall asleep.

A few hours pass by; you wake up.

As you open your eyes, you are shocked to see that in the middle of the room is a desk with a computer on top of it. You approach the desk and notice some words on the computer screen: This desk and computer came from nothing.

Do you believe what you have read on the screen?

Of course, you do not.

At first glance you rely on your intuition that it is impossible for the computer and desk to have appeared from no prior activity or cause. Then you start to think about what could possibly have happened.

The possibilities:

After some thought you realize a limited number of reasonable explanations.

The first is that they could have come from no causal conditions or prior activity—in other words, nothing.

The second is that they could have caused or created themselves.

The third is that they could have been created or placed there by a cause.

Since your cognitive faculties are normal and in working order, you conclude that the third explanation is the most rational.

The Qur’anic argument:

Although this form of reasoning is universal, a more robust variation of the argument can be found eloquently summarized in the Qur’an.

The argument states that the possible explanations for a finite entity coming into being, whether it is human beings or Universe could be that:

A) It came from nothing.

B) It created itself (Self-Created).

C) It could have been created by something else created.

D)It was created by something uncreated.

The Qur’an provides a powerful argument for God’s existence:

Surah At-Tūr, Chapter 52, Verses 35 and 36. Or were they created by nothing? Or were they the creators [of themselves]? Or did they create the heavens and Earth? Rather, they are not certain.

NB. Rather, they are not certain, implying that the denial of God is baseless, & therefore implies that there is an uncreated creator.

Quran makes a universal formula:

This argument can also be turned into a universal formula that does not require reference to scripture:

The universe is finite.

Finite things could have come from nothing, created themselves, been created by something created or been created by something uncreated.

They could not have come from nothing, created themselves, or have been ultimately created by something created. Therefore, they were created by something uncreated.

Let’s analysis each possibility.

1. The universe is finite:

Causality Argument:

Everything that begins to exist, or change has to have a cause. The universe has a beginning, so it has cause. Someone Caused it to exist God unlike universe, doesn't have a beginning, so no cause, led to its existence. He is eternal.

Finite argument:

There is impossibility of an actual infinite, to exist in the real world. Infinite in the real world is an idea, it cannot exist.

The type of actual infinite that I am addressing here is a differentiated type of infinite, which is an infinite made up of discrete parts, like physical things or objects. These physical things can include atoms, quarks, buses, giraffes, and quantum fields.

The undifferentiated type of infinite, however, is an infinite that is not made of discrete parts. This infinite is coherent and can exist. For instance, the infinity of God is an undifferentiated infinite, as He is not made up of discrete physical parts. In Islamic theology, He is uniquely one and transcendent.

Bag of balls example:

Imagine you had an infinite number of balls in a bag. If you take two balls away, how many balls do you have left? Well, mathematically you still have an infinite number. However, practically, you should have two less than what is in the bag.

What if you added another two balls instead? How many balls are there now? There should be two more than what was in the bag.

You should be able to count how many balls are in the bag, but you cannot...

Because the infinite is just an idea and does not exist in the real world.

Infinite impossibility

And because the infinite is just an idea and does not exist in the real world. This clearly shows you cannot have an actualized infinite creation made up of discrete physical parts or things.

Considering this fact, the famous German mathematician David Hilbert said, The infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. the role that remains for the infinite to play is solely that of an idea.

Stack of cubes with different sizes example:

Imagine you had a stack of cubes. Each cube is numbered. The first cube has a volume of 10cm3.

The next cube on top of that has a volume of 5cm3 and the next cube is half of the previous cube. This goes on ad infinitum.

Now go to the top of the stack and remove the cube at the top.

You cannot. There is no cube to be found. Why?

Because if there was a cube to be found at the top it would mean that the cubes did not reach infinity. However, as no cube at the top, it also shows—though mathematical infinite exists—that you can’t have an actualized infinite in the real world. Since there is no end to the stack, it shows the infinite—that is made up of discrete physical things (cubes)—cannot be physically realized.

Universe example

Conceptually, the universe is no different to the bag of balls or the stack of cubes I have explained above.

The universe is real. It is made up of discrete physical things.

Since the differentiated infinite cannot exist in the real world, it follows that the universe cannot be infinite. This implies that the universe is finite, and since it is finite it must have had a beginning.

*Already proven by Science*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0&t=217s

Did the universe begin, or has it always existed?

Atheists, in the past, before discovery of big-bang have typically said that the universe has been here forever. It is just there, and that's all.

Energy:

First, let's consider the second law of thermodynamics. It tells us the universe is slowly running out of usable energy, and that's the point. If the universe had been here forever it would have run out of usable energy by now.

Matter:

According to the second law of thermodynamics, materials are subject to this law as well and undergo deterioration. Matter is not infinite This can manifest as wear, corrosion, and fatigue.

Matter is subject to Decay and change. We can conclude matter cannot be Eternal because anything that changes cannot be Eternal.

Disorder

According to the second law of thermodynamics, systems tend to evolve to state of disorder over time, not order. Due to energy dispersion and matter deterioration

Energy, Matter, disorder Conclusion

According to the second law of thermodynamics, whether it is energy loss and material deterioration, or disorder, we know universe is not finite.

Stars are not infinite, they die. Average age of star is few millions to around 10 billion years. Smaller stars after losing their fuels can be dwarf cold stars. Big stars can end in supernovas and black holes. All stars die. Planets die or get destroyed, when their sun die by black hole or supernova, or get destroyed by asteroids, impact events, collisions.

Comets and asteroids also has life span from hundreds of years to thousands of years.

Big Bang:

The second law points us to a universe that has a definite beginning.

This is further confirmed by a series of remarkable scientific discoveries.

-In 1915 Albert Einstein presented his general theory of relativity which allowed us to talk meaningfully about the past history of the universe.

-Next Alexander Friedmann & Georges Lemaitre, each working with Einstein's equations, predicted that the universe is expanding.

-Then in 1929, Edwin Hubble measured the red shift & light from distant galaxies which confirmed not only that the universe is expanding, But that it sprang into being from a single point in the finite past. It was a monumental discovery almost beyond comprehension.

-More recently three leading cosmologists, Arvind Borde, Alan Guth, and Alexander Vilenkin, proved that any universe which has on average been expanding throughout its history cannot be eternal in the past, but must have an absolute beginning.

This even applies to the multiverse, if there is such a thing. This means that, as Alexander Vilenkin said: Scientists can no longer hide behind a past eternal universe. There is no escape. They have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning.

Conclusion:

The conclusion indicates universe had a beginning.

Since everything that has a begins to exist has a cause. Then universe has a cause.

And since the universe can't cause itself, its cause must be beyond the space-time universe. It must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, uncaused, and unimaginably powerful, much like... God.

The cosmological argument shows that in fact it is quite reasonable to believe that God does exist.

2. Created from nothing?

Whatever begins to exist has a cause.

The universe began to exist.

Therefore, the universe has a cause.

Coming out of nothing:

Let's consider. Believing that something can pop into existence without a cause is more of a stretch than believing in magic.

At least with magic you've got a hat and a magician and then a rabbit appears as if from nothing.

Imagine one day you wake up, open your garage, and find a Ferrari. We would say somebody must have put this car here, right? Why? Because we know that a Ferrari doesn't just come out of nowhere. One can understand this perfectly easily.

Then how can entire universe come out of nothingness!

Someone who is not time-bound, or matter bound, has to have already existed and doesn't need anybody's help, to create universe.

And if something can come into being from nothing, then why don't we see this happening all the time?

Rabbits, Cars, Suns begin to exist from nothing.

Everything we know in universe and earth can pop suddenly from nothing.

Leaving into nothingness

Since everything Humans, Animals, atoms, stars can suddenly pop out of nothing.

This also indicate the opposite, everything in the existence, can suddenly disappear to nothing.

Complete Nothingness

I need to define what is meant by ‘nothing’. Nothing is defined as the absence of all things. Which indicates absence of 2 things:

1) Everything, all matter, energy and potential, were to vanish; (not to be confused with the quantum vacuum or field, see later)

2) Absence of any causal condition. A causal condition is any type of cause that produces an effect. This can be material or non-material.

Against Reason

Asserting that things can come from nothing means that things can come into being from no potential, no matter or nothing at all. To assert such a thing defies our intuitions and stands against reason.

Against math

So, could the universe have come into existence from nothing?

The obvious answer is no, because from nothing, nothing comes.

Nothingness cannot produce anything. Something cannot arise from no causal conditions whatsoever.

Another way of looking at it is by way of simple math. What is 0 + 0 + 0? It is not 3, it’s 0.

Absurd Start

If someone can claim that the entire universe can come from nothing, then the implications would be absurd.

They could assert that anything could come into being without any causal conditions at all. For something to arise from nothing it must have at least some types of potential or causal conditions.

Since nothing is the absence of all things, including any type of causal condition, then something could not arise from nothing.

Absurd End

Maintaining that something can arise from nothing is logically equivalent to the notion that... Things can vanish, decay, annihilate or disappear without any causal conditions whatsoever...

Individuals who argue that something can come from nothing must also maintain that something can vanish from no causal conditions at all.

For example, if a building completely vanished, such individuals should not be surprised by the event...

Because if things can come from no causal conditions at all, then it logically implies that things can vanish by no causal conditions as well. However, to argue that things can just vanish without reference to any causal condition would be rationally absurd.

Quantum Vacuum

A common contention is that the universe could come from nothing because in the quantum vacuum particles pop into existence.

This argument assumes that the quantum vacuum is nothing. However, this is not true.

The quantum vacuum is something; it is not an absolute void and it obeys the laws of physics. The quantum vacuum is a state of fleeting energy. So, it is not nothing, it is something physical.

For debunking of Professor Lawrence Krauss’s book, A Universe from Nothing, where he deceived people in this book, and there was actually something and not pure nothing, only for sophisticated philosophical arguments, see details at the end of this chapter

3. Self-created?

Impossibility

Could the universe have created itself? The term ‘created’ refers to something that emerged, and therefore it was once not in existence.

Another way of speaking about something being created is that it was brought into being. Understanding the concept of creation leads us to conclude that self-creation is a logical and practical impossibility.

This is because self-creation implies that something was in existence and not in existence at the same time, which is impossible.

Something that emerged means that it once was not in existence; however, to say it created itself implies that it was in existence before it existed!

And if something does not exist, how can it be described as having power, and how could it create anything? How could it do anything? Since these arguments are refuted then it is established that they have a creator, so let them believe in Him.

Mother example

Was it possible for your mother to give birth to herself? To claim such a thing would suggest that she would have to be born before she was born. When something is created, it means it once did not exist, and therefore had no power to do anything.

So to claim that it created itself is impossible, as it could not have any power before it was created to create itself. This applies to all finite things, and that includes the universe too.

Asexual reproduction?

Can self-creation be found in single-celled organisms, also known in biology as asexual reproduction?

1) This is not self-creation, but a mode of reproduction by which offspring arise from a single organism and inherit genes of that parent only.

2)If we logically extend this to the universe, it assumes that the universe always existed,

Because for asexual reproduction to occur you need a parent that existed prior to the offspring. Therefore, this proves that; the universe once never existed, so it could not bring itself into existence.

4. Created by something else that was created? -If God Created everything, Who created GOD?

Causality argument:

Everything that has a beginning needs a cause. God does not have a beginning therefore God doesn't need a cause. I wouldn't say everything has been created and then say but God doesn't have a Creator.

I would say everything that begins to exist has a Creator and God did not begin to exist.

God is the first and the last. No Beginning No End.

And the only one that has been there for eternity so that question only applies to finite limited beings not to God.

Creator loop/ (example of an infinite regress of causes):

Was the universe created by something else created? For argument’s sake, let’s answer yes The questioning person will undoubtedly ask, Then, what created that thing? If we were to answer, Another created thing. What do you think he would say? Yes, you guessed right: What created that thing?

This we have infinite loop of endless creators. A Creator was made by another Creator is made by another Creator and so on.

If this ridiculous dialogue continued forever, then it would prove one thing: the need for an uncreated creator.

Why? Because we can’t have created thing, like the universe, being created by another created thing in an unlimited series going back forever. It simply does not make sense. It must stop at one point if we go indefinitely, at independent, self-sufficient, necessary being which is God.

Phone production argument

Let’s say I want to create a phone. I made a new design. I’m just an employer. I give it to my lv1 boss to ask his permission to make this new design.

Then my immediate boss, asks permission of higher boss, which in return ask permission of higher boss. We can’t never go on forever, we have to end at one time, of the final boss, who is independent and necessary and can take action.

If we have infinite bosses, then since we will never reach infinity, then no phone will ever be produced. Thus, our example illustrates the rational flaw in the idea of an infinite regress of causes.

When we apply this to the universe, we have to conclude that it must have had an uncreated creator.

Impossibility of infinity does not exist in real world.

Consider if this universe, U1, was created by a prior cause, U2, and U2 was created by another cause, U3, and this went on forever.

We wouldn’t have universe U1 in the first place. Think about it this way, when does U1 come into being? Only after U2 has come into being. When does U2 come into being? Only after U3 has come into being.

This same problem will continue even if we go on forever, because U1 existence depends on Infinity to exist first. The ability of U1 to come into being was dependent on a forever chain of created universes, U1 would never exist.

Summary

The universe, which is a created thing, could not be created by another created thing, ad infinitum.

If that were the case this universe would not exist. That’s in addition

the universe is finite, & infinite does not exist in real world. Since it exists, we can dismiss the idea of an infinite regress of causes as an irrational proposition.

If there is infinite loop of bosses/creators/designers:

Infinite is a concept which doesn’t exist in real world.

So, we can never go forever ad infinitum, we must stop at one creator/ Which is GOD.

If there is this hypothetical infinite loop, the phone/Universe would have never appeared, as I will never get the approval for phone creation. As every boss waiting for approval of his prior boss. So, appearance of phone/universe= no infinite loop existed.

5. Created by something uncreated?

Ultimate conclusion:

After refuting all other possibilities, we conclude that everything that exists in universe need an uncaused cause or an uncreated creator. ALLAH The universe is finite. They could not have come from nothing, created themselves, or have been ultimately created by something created. Therefore, they were created by something uncreated.

Eternal

From above discussion we conclude another thing, is that something must have always existed, which is the attribute of the uncreated creator.

Now there are two obvious choices: God or the universe (the matter).

Since all components of universe is finite, has a beginning, has end, and is dependent, it cannot have always existed.

Since we have ruled out the matter, I would say a Creator independent of matter chose to bring it into existence from nothingness. Because this Creator must be self-sufficient, existing perpetually. Therefore, something that always existed must be God.

Other attributes

If we look at creation, we can call it a process of building. For something to be built, four characteristics must come together:

What are these? Knowledge, Will, power and life.

Knowledge is the possession of information.

Will is the ability to make choices, without the capacity to choose one cannot build anything.

Power is the strength to build. A paralyzed entity with no power and no strength cannot build anything.

Fourth is life. if you lack life, if you're lifeless, how can you give life.

Examples

Every 3 seconds a new person is born into the world undergoing the process of construction. Millions of living beings including animals and plants and their variations, undergo similar construction. When we observe the diversity of these species, we realize that millions of living beings are constructed daily.

Considering how these entities are built. The presence of the four features is indispensable.

The knowledge or information, the will that involves making choices, the power or strength and finally life. We find no knowledge, will, power or life when we examine the matter.

Conclusion

We must come to the conclusion of a creator. A creator who brings the matter into existence from nothingness. And continuously engages in the process of construction.

Attributes of the Uncreated Creator: ALLAH

What has been established so far is that there must be an uncreated creator. This does not imply the traditional concept of God.

However, if we think carefully about the uncreated creator, we can form conclusions that lead to the traditional understanding of God.

1.Eternal: If God created everything, Who Creator God/ The Creator?

Since this creator is uncreated, it means that it was always in existence. Something that did not begin has always existed. Something that never began cannot be created. And something that has always existed is eternal.

The Qur’an makes this very clear: God, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born God created the universe and is not bound by its laws; He is, by definition, an uncreated Being, and He never came into existence.

If GOD created everything, Who Creator God/ The Creator?

This can’t happen as we concluded in

1-4 See before in Created by something else that was created argument: 4 points: Creator Loop, phone, Impossibility of infinity.

5-6. See before in Created by something Uncreated: 2 Points Ultimate conclusion and Eternal arguments Additional points is also valid for discussion and philosophy.

7.Dependency Issues

2nd GOD

IF there is another God who created GOD.

Then 2nd GOD is not GOD. Because he is dependent on first GOD to exist. He is dependent on the first GOD to obtain his properties & function. The first GOD becomes the necessary being on which 2nd GOD & and all creations depend on, not the second GOD Second God lose his status as necessary to all creation.

1st GOD

Also the first GOD needed a second God, to fulfill whatever thing which comes in your mind. This makes first GOD not self-sufficient by his own. He can’t fulfill his properties till the second God Comes to help.

Also he becomes dependent on other GOD to do godly things.

All creatures, will be dependent on 1st GOD as 2nd GOD is dependent on first GOD.

8. Invalid Question: Invalidates Creator, invalidates attributes

The question is also invalid. Just because somebody asked this question doesn't mean it's valid. Because we see cause and effect (as in designer, creation and dependency examples) within our universe.

The Uncreated creator can’t be created, if he is created, he loses the status of uncreated creator or necessary, & becomes one of the creations.

The Uncreated creator Issue also goes back to the issue of the necessary being..

The attribute GOD is uncreated Creator. The creator has to be independent. He is self-sufficient, he is necessary. if you acknowledge these attributes... We conclude that he can’t be created as proven in all other points.

One of inclusions of Having the attribute, includes failure to of this attribute to Fail. It can’t fail. It can’t stop IF it fails, then he didn’t have it the first place. It also invalidates being GOD/Independent...

GOD is Omnipotent. He has unlimited power and authority. Everything is dependent on Him, and every affair is effortless for Him.

Omnipotence also includes the impossibility of failure.

The questioner, however, is saying that since God is All-Powerful, He is capable of anything, including failure.

This is irrational and absurd, as it is equivalent to saying an All- Powerful Being cannot be an All-Powerful Being. Failure to achieve or do something is not a feature of omnipotence.

Invalid/Paradox

From this perspective, the ability of God to create a stone He cannot move, actually describes an event that is impossible and meaningless. The question does not describe a possible affair, just as if we were to say a white black crow or a circle triangle or a Married Bachelor

Such statements describe nothing at all; they have no informative value and are meaningless.

So why should we even answer a question that has no meaning? To put it bluntly, the question is not even a question.

For example, in physics we don't compare different quantities...

So if I asked you is 10 kilos greater than 163 centimeters. Would say that this is an illogical question. You'd say these are different quantities. When you ask if God can create a greater stone than himself, Do you perceive god as being able to be measured in centimeters?

Examples

He is the creator, The moment someone else created him, he is not only no longer the creator, but also dependent on the other creator to be exist.

He is all mighty & powerful, the moment he creates a rock he can’t lift, he is no longer GOD, He lost his attributes. He is not almighty.

He is Eternal, the moment he dies or get killed, he is no longer GOD, he is no longer eternal, so God can’t be killed. (refer to Jesus & his killing)

He is all knowing all the time: the moment he doesn’t know something is going on in universe, he can’t be God. (Refer to Jesus & hour)

He is necessary being. He can’t cease to exist/sleep or get killed and world can function on its own (refer to 3 days Jesus died)

He is independent. He can’t be dependent. He can’t have needs, like eat, drink, go to toilet. That’s why he can’t enter creation ((refer to Jesus)

9. Due to Oneness of GOD (see later 12 causes)

2.Transcendent/ Can GOD be part of his creation? What about Aliens:

Chair example:

This uncreated creator cannot be part of creation. A useful example to illustrate this is when a carpenter makes a chair. In the process of designing and creating the chair, he does not become the chair. He is distinct from the chair.

This applies to the uncreated creator as well. He created the universe and therefore is distinct from what He created.

Can GOD Be part of his creation? What is creation? What is its relation to Creator?

Something created has to have 2 attributed

1. Created by GOD. So, it Began to exist after GOD. It is dependent on GOD for attributes, functions, laws, qualities.

2. Since Creator is Eternal and always existed. And creation was created by GOD. His creation cannot coexist eternally.

3. That’s why the creation must be distinct and separate from the creation. The theologian and scholar Ibn Taymiyya argued that the term, created, implied that something was distinct from God.

4. If the creator was part of creation, it would make Him dependent to an extent to his creation. He becomes not fully dependent neither necessary.

5. Being part of creation, will make Creator have some limited physical qualities. Having physical properties, in turn, would mean than. He would require an explanation for His existence, which would imply He cannot be God.

The Qur’an asserts the transcendent of God, And there's none comparable to him.

What about aliens?

God can’t be created from his creation.

Now there has to be someone beyond the physical Universe. He has to be free of matter.

But Why is that?

When you think of an alien you still think inside the universe's boundaries. The universe matter... The one who creates matter cannot be made of matter that he created. A woman can’t give birth to herself!!

So someone else must have knowledge willpower power and life...

So, this kind of logic, doesn't make sense

3. Knowing: Can everything in universe be random?

Lawgiver in everything = Knowledge

This uncreated creator must have knowledge because the universe that He created has established laws.

These include the law of gravity, the weak and strong nuclear force, and the electromagnetic force.

Everything is bound & controlled with laws. Laws of physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, and many others. All kind of laws which controls everything from subatomic particles to Stars and galaxies These laws imply there is a lawgiver, and a lawgiver implies knowledge.

The Qur’an asserts the Knowledge of God, Chapter 58, Verse 7, Indeed God is, of all things, Knowing.

Knowledge or Chaos: Atheist bad outcomes, if there is GOD or Not

We need, Universe needs, Laws from a lawgiver, A knowledgeable Organizer in order to function.

For Atheist, there is 2 only 2 possibilities: Either there is a God or there is no God. Both outcomes are very scary to him.

If there is GOD, then he better try to know what he wants and follow him, or we will extremely horrible painful outcomes in afterlife.

If there is no GOD, it’s extremely scary meaningless life. Imagine, earth rotating around itself and through space with insane un-imaginable high speeds and some does all other planets, stars, black matter, with no one controlling it and all is random, no any intelligent design or intelligent control. That is a nightmare. There are also no morals, no fear of committing harm and sins as long as I can escape from it, etc

4. Powerful: Can GOD create a rock, he cannot lift?

Atom

This uncreated creator must be powerful because he created the universe, and the universe has immense energy, both usable and potential.

The number of atoms in the observable universe, which is around 10 to the power of 80.

If you were to take just one of these atoms and split it, it would release an immense amount of energy—known as nuclear fission.

A created thing with usable and potential energy could not have acquired that from itself.

Creator

Ultimately, this power contained in the atom & all forms of power & energy in the universe, came from the Creator, who in turn must be powerful. Now just imagine the immense power of the Creator by reflecting on the universe and all that it contains.

We were talking about the power and energy of Just one atom in the entire universe splitting... How about 10 to the power of 80 Alternatively, If the creator did not have power, it would mean that He is unable, incapable and weak.

Since the universe was created, with all these energy and power, it is a simple proof that He must have ability and power.

The Qur’an asserts the power of God:The Qur’an, Chapter 24, Verse 45. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things.

The omnipotence paradox/Can GOD create a stone he can’t lift/move

GOD is Omnipotent. He has unlimited power and authority.

Everything is dependent on Him, and every affair is effortless for Him.

Omnipotence also includes the impossibility of failure.

Invalid Question

The questioner, however, is saying that since God is All-Powerful, He is capable of anything, including failure.This is irrational and absurd, as it is equivalent to saying an All-Powerful Being cannot be an All- Powerful Being.

Failure to achieve or do something is not a feature of omnipotence.

From this perspective, the ability of God to create a stone He cannot move actually describes an event that is impossible and meaningless.

Invalid examples

The question does not describe a possible affair, just as if we were to say a white black crow or a circle triangle.

Such statements describe nothing at all; they have no informative value and are meaningless.

So why should we even answer a question that has no meaning? To put it bluntly, the question is not even a question.

So, God can create a stone, heavier than anything we imagine, but He will always be able to move it, as failure is not a feature of omnipotence.

5.Will:

This uncreated creator must have a will for several reasons.

Will of the creator

Firstly, since this creator is eternal & brought into existence a finite universe. This creator must have chosen the universe to come into existence when the universe was non-existent and could have remained so. Something that has a choice obviously has a will.

Will of the created

The universe contains beings that have a conscious will.

Therefore, the one who created the universe with living beings that have a will must also have a will. One cannot give something to a thing that one does not contain or have the ability to give rise to it. Therefore, the Creator has a will.

Will of the creation process

There are two types of explanations we can apply to the creation of the universe. The first is a scientific explanation, and the second is personal will argument.

Let me explain this using tea.

In order to make tea, I have to boil some water, place the tea bag in the cup and allow it to infuse. This process can be explained scientifically. The water must has to reaches boiling point, has to cross a semipermeable membrane (tea bag)... I have to use my glycogen stores to enable my muscles to contract to move my limbs to ensure all of this takes place.

Obviously, a trained scientist could go into further detail, but I think you get the point. Conversely, the whole process can also be explained personally: the tea has been made because I wanted some tea.

Now let’s apply this to the universe. We do not have observations or empirical evidence on how the Creator created the universe...

So we can only rely on a personal will explanation, which is that God chose for the universe to come into existence.

Even if we had a scientific explanation, it would not negate a personal one, as in the tea example

The Qur’an affirms the fact that God has a will: Chapter 11, Verse 107 Your Lord carries out whatever He wills.

6. One: /Can there be more than one Creator?can fit Jesus argument

Name of Allah, AL-Waahid, Al-Ahad. = One and indivisible

There are various reasons why the creator must be one. These include:

Creators Identification

1.No evidence of more than one creator

2. Not Needed

3. Invalid

4. Doesn’t add anything (esp. to Atheism)

5. Distinction argument

Creators struggle:

6. Leadership issues

7. Dependency Issues

8. One will argument

Creation struggle:

9. Chaos

10. Necessary being Issues.

11. Obedience issues

12. Creation similarity

1. No evidence of more than one creator

Nothing from Creation

There is no evidence that there is more than one deity, when you look in the universe You can't say I understand from this that there is more than one God.

So, there is no evidence that there is more than one deity. It isn't logical and there's no need for it.

Nothing from the other GOD

There is no evidence of a second GOD.

No one claimed to be another GOD.

And the ONE God said, there is no other GOD.

If there is another GOD, other than GOD, Then He should come forward, and say I created this and that. Worship me, follow me But we have one GOD, who made this claim. If nobody made an opposite claim, how can we claim, there is another creator on his behalf.

You are then worshipping a fake GOD, unreal God, who is weak, afraid, hiding, and can’t say loudly I created anything. He can’t speak about that to the One GOD nor he could speak about it to the creation. Which, Shows, there can be only One GOD.

All other fake gods can’t say anything.

And All prophets one message, Worship the One GOD. Never changed.

2. Not needed

Plurality should not be assumed without necessity, Occam’s razor principle If you have an uncreated creator. Who is eternal, independent, self-sufficient. He is All powerful and All

mighty. What would the additional God Add? He is already all powerful and all knowledgeable One creator is all that is required, simply because it is All-Powerful.

3. Invalid

One creator is all that is required, simply because it is All-Powerful.

In fact if GOD ever needs another GOD, he is no longer GOD. As he becomes dependent and not self-sufficient.

If both are independent and self-sufficient, who is the stronger GOD?

What about if the other GOD is more powerful than him, does he get destroyed, killed?

He is supposed to be almighty and eternal So not only he is not needed, if he exists, he creates more problem than he solves. And Invalidates the idea of either being a GOD.

Two Dyes Example

There can only be one eternal being and there cannot be two...

Let's explain this. Let’s say we have two different colored dyes one is pink and the other one is yellow. Let's grant them the quality of being eternal.

l gave you the pink dye, you went home & spilled the pink one & I spilled the yellow one here...

Because we've granted them eternity the pink dye has started taking over everything... first it took over the desk, then house, then town It's taking over everything... it's going to keep going. And it's the same for the yellow one... it's taking over everything So now I ask you, if the pink dye can't take over the areas that are yellow can it be eternal?

It can’t. The same is true for the yellow one... if the yellow dye can't take over the pink areas...

It can't be eternal it is bound Possibilities.

If the red surpasses the blue, the blue cannot be enteral.

If the blue passes the red the red cannot be eternal.

If they don't surpass each other and stay in the middle, I can't say both are infinite. And it shows weakness as it is limited. Therefore, if this eternal being, it must be one.

If there are two gods, the existence of one will restrict the will of the other. When it is restricted weakness will occur which is contrary divinity.

So, the existence of two eternal beings is not possible. Eternity is singular.

4. Doesn’t add anything (esp to Atheism)

Plurality Did add anything.

According to Occam’s razor principle, Plurality should not be assumed without necessity

We have no evidence that the Creator of the universe is actually a combination of two, three or even one thousand creators..

So the simplest explanation is that the Creator is one.

Postulating a plurality of creators does not add to the comprehensiveness of the argument either.

To add more creators would not enhance the argument’s explanatory power or scope.

To claim that an All-Powerful creator created the universe is just as comprehensive as claiming that two All-Powerful creators created it.

Doesn’t solve problem of Atheism.

I would argue that postulating multiple creators actually has reduced explanatory power & scope.

It raises far more problems than it solves.

For example, the following questions expose the irrationality of this form of polytheism; How do many external beings co-exist?

What about the potential of any conflicting wills?

How do they interact?

And what is end result of this... So, Atheist people should be polytheist instead of Atheist?

5. Distinction argument:

A-Trees example

For two creators to exist, they must be different in some way.

For example, if you have two trees, they will differ in size, shape, color & age.

Even if they had identical physical attributes, there would be at least one thing that allows us to distinguish that they are in fact two trees.

This can include their placement or position.

You can also apply this to twins; we know they are 2 people as something makes them different. This could even be the mere fact that they cannot occupy the same place at the same time.

B-Identical creators

If there were more than one creator, then there must be something to differentiate between them.

However, if they are the same in every possible aspect, then how can we say there are two?

If something is identical to another, then what is true of one is also true for the other.

If we had two things, A & B. If they are the same in every way, & nothing allows us to differentiate between them, then they are the same thing. We can turn this into a hypothetical proposition:

If whatever is true of A is true of B, then A is identical to B.

Now let us apply this to the Creator....

Imagine that two creators exist, called creator X and creator Y, And that whatever is true of creator X is also true of creator Y.

For instance, creator X is All-Powerful and All-Wise; so, creator Y is All-Powerful and All-Wise. How many creators are there in reality?

Only one, due to the fact that there is nothing to differentiate between them.

If someone were to argue that they are different, then they would not be describing another creator but something that is created...

As it would not have the same attributes befitting the Creator.

Who is more necessary. Whom better to follow.

Who is the one claiming he is the one GOD. Who is the one silent about it?

C-Different Creators

If someone is adamant in claiming that there can be two creators and they are different from each other, then I simply ask, How are they different? If they attempt to answer the question, they enter the realm of arguing from ignorance, ...

Who is more powerful. Who is more knowledgeable. Who is more immortal. Who has more will on the other. Who is more necessary. Who is more merciful. Whom better to follow.

6. Leadership issues:

Allah says in the Quran they would fight each other for power.

So God can lose, be overcome, and maybe Killed by other GOD

What after being Killed by other GOD, can he be resurrected by the Other GOD.

Can one be more knowledgeable than other, force his will over other, take over the GOD?

Surah Al-Mu’miūn, Chapter 23, Verse 91, Allah has never had ˹any˺ offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim!

If God wanted to destroy Jesus who can save him

Surah Al-Māʾidah: 14, Chapter 5, verse 17: Indeed, those who say, Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary, have fallen into disbelief. Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ Who has the power to prevent Allah if He chose to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, his mother, and everyone in the world all together? To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything in between. He creates whatever He wills. And Allah is Most Capable of everything.

And we find Jesus praying to GOD so that he doesn’t get killed in bible.

Matthew 26:39 NIV Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.

Matthew 26:42 NIV He went away a second time and prayed, My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.

7. Dependency Issues:

2nd GOD

IF there is another God who created GOD

Then 2nd GOD is not GOD. Because he is dependent on first GOD to exist. He is dependent on the first GOD to obtain his properties & function. The first GOD becomes the necessary being on which 2nd GOD & and all creations depend on, not the second GOD Second God lose his status as necessary to all creation.

1st GOD

Also, the first GOD needed a second God, to fulfill whatever thing which comes in your mind. This makes first GOD not self-sufficient by his own. He can’t fulfill his properties till the second God Comes to help.

Also he becomes dependent on other GOD to do godly things.

All creatures, will be dependent on 1st GOD as 2nd GOD is dependent on first GOD

Power (fighting Gods/conflict)

If two Gods, two powers fighting each other, they are both dependent, no longer independent, because they require more power to kill the other one

Surah Al-Mu’miūn, Chapter 23, Verse 91, Allah has never had ˹any˺ offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim!

Same applies for GOD and Jesus. God Can destroy and kill Jesus. Even Humans Killed Jesus according to Christians

Surah Al Ma’idah, Chapter 5 verse 17: Indeed, those who say, Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary, have fallen into disbelief. Say, ˹O Prophet, ˺ Who has the power to prevent Allah if He chose to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, his mother, and everyone in the world all together? To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything in between. He creates whatever He wills. And Allah is Most Capable of everything.

Not self-sufficient (Agreeing Gods/Trinity)

Some Christians trying hard to defend trinity by saying GOD needs Christ to show his love.

But Allah attributes are complete, perfect, he doesn’t need a creation, to prove his attributes That will also mean, God is independent and not self-sufficient, Because he needs his creation/other GOD, Jesus or human, to express his attributes And now his creation/other GOD, become a necessary being for GOD to express his attributes. And He needs them.

Will Issues (Agreeing Gods/Trinity)

Now each God, become dependent on the other GOD, So that their will agree, on certain final Will, on all topics related to creation And who has first will? The other must agree? Or he is passive without will?

8. One will argument

The Universe Came from One Will

This argument maintains that the existence of multiple creators is impossible because there can only be one will.

God by definition is the Being with an imposing will that cannot be limited by anything external to Him. So, there can’t be more than one Divine will. Since the Creator is eternal and brought into existence the universe which began at a point in time, It means that the Creator chose the universe to come into existence; choice implies a will.

Effect of more than one Will

For the sake of argument, let’s say there were two creators.

Creator A wanted to move a rock, and creator B also wanted to move the same rock. There are three possible scenarios that can arise:

One of the creators overpowers the other by moving the rock in a different direction to the other.

They both cancel each other out, and the rock does not move.

They both move the rock in the same direction.

There are three possible results that can arise:

The 1st scenario implies only one of the two creators will manifests himself.

The 2nd scenario implies no will in action. This is not possible as there must be a will acted upon, as we already have creation in existence.

The third scenario ultimately describes only one will.

Therefore, it is more rational to conclude that there is only one creator because there is only one will.

What about more than one God having same one will.

Contradiction to All-Powerful

If someone argues that you can have more than one entity and still have one will..

I would respond by asking: how do you know there is more than one entity? Why not infinite entities having one will?

It sounds like an argument from ignorance, because there is no evidence whatsoever for such a claim.

We have only one will. Therefore, it is more rational to conclude that there is only one creator as there is only one will. (See all prior points)

Contradiction to All-Powerful

In that case they agree to work together practically, but from a potential perspective if they were to disagree, they would still not be all powerful.

So from a logical point of view by getting all the gods to agree you haven't solved the problem of the incoherency of there being two absolute all powerful beings. It's a contradiction which cannot be ignored.

What about more than one God having Active and passive Wills

God by definition is the Being with an imposing will that cannot be limited by anything external to Him. so, there can’t be more than one Divine will.

Since God, by definition, cannot have His will limited by anything outside of Himself.

It follows that One may argue that multiple Gods can agree to have the same will or they can each have their own will.

This would mean that their wills are now either limited (if each God has his own different will), Or passive (other God always agrees with first will)

Or inactive (other God has will but is inactive and never express it), which would mean they are not Gods any more by definition.

So if one GOD yields to other GOD decision or vice versa, it means weakness & limitations which is opposite to the concept of divinity.

9. Chaos argument

Inevitable Chaos

Surah Al-Anbiya, Chapter 21, Verse 22 Had there been other gods besides Allah in the heavens or the earth, both ˹realms˺ would have surely been corrupted. So Glorified is Allah, Lord of the Throne, far above what they claim.

Two Gods fighting for power or difference in opinions, will lead to chaos. Reason necessitates that if there were more than one creator, the universe would be in chaos.

Universe would have lost their normal order since there would be inevitablyinternal discord,...

As this is normal when there are several rulers, They oppose one another in things and do not agree with one another. If there were two or more Gods, they would have a competition of wills, which would result in chaos and disorder.

The universe we observe is governed by mathematical laws and order; therefore, it makes sense that it is the result of one imposing will.

10. Necessary being Issues

There can’t be more than 1 creator, because then we go back to the argument of necessary being, who becomes the necessary being for creation If there was more than one creator then the question is, how could you have one necessary being to creation & he is self-sufficient independent. If there is another creator then the first creator it's not necessary anymore, then none of creators are pessary for creation.

11. Obedience issues

It will be very difficult to obey multiple masters, compared to one master, with difference in opinions, requirements, order, worships, commands.

Quran, Surah Az-Zumar chapter 39, verse 29 Allah sets forth the parable of a slave owned by several quarrelsome masters, and a slave owned by only one master. Are they equal in condition? Praise be to Allah! In fact, most of them do not know.

12. Creation Similarity

In the universe you see, planets rotating around Sun... in the Atoms, you see electrons rotating around Nucleus All organisms work with the same programming language DNA.

3. You’ve assumed God exists argument.

The argument in this chapter has not assumed God. The argument has not made up the idea of necessity in order to lead to God.

Rather, the dependency of the universe has led to the idea that there must be an eternal, independent being that exists necessarily.

This conclusion makes sense of the Islamic definition of God.

4.You believe in God that you created in your mind, and all of these are just your perceptions?

Now science is subject to knowledge so if there is information, then the reality does not change. Changing my perception or changing my mind will not affect reality.

Close your eyes example

For example, if I closed my eyes and thought there was an iPhone here Now changing my perception did not affect reality.

Universe

Likewise, we are not talking about an illusion in the universe anyway.

We're talking about many material features that we see, every part of the universe and in our bodies and then we prove there is a creator

Now about a person's perception... He can say yes or no, and make something up in his mind...

But reality will not change, because this is a matter accepted by everyone and witnessed by the universe itself.

So the existence of a creator is obvious, it doesn't change according to the perception of the person.

Non sincere

This is not very sincere anyway, because then one has to say everything is perception...and not move all... For example, a person eats when he is hungry, he doesn't stop eating and say this is just a perception or similarly he resorts to medicine when he's sick.

he doesn't say this is perception. All of these are perceptions...

So when it comes to the creator it seems as if there is a trick of the devil & people are being deceived about delusion of god's non-existent

5. Agnosticism /Science/future fallacy/ in