Men: Real Conversations

By Emma Stirling and Anthony Denahy

• What makes the Dalai Lama truly happy?
   
• Why would an astronaut view himself as a failure?
   
• What does vulnerability mean for a tough U.S. Navy SEAL?
  
   

Men: Real Conversations asks 40 famous and renowned men to open their hearts and have honest conversations about the issues that are important to them.

 

The men who have shared their deepest insights about life include the Dalai Lama, Navy SEALS, sporting superstars, UFC and Muay Thai fighters, Paralympic gold medalists, extreme athletes, astronauts, actors, rappers, poets, artists, and philosophers.

 

In raw and revealing conversations, these men talk about topics they've never publicly spoken about before: the power of love, what makes them truly happy, the importance of the women in their lives, finding their life purpose, achieving success, overcoming challenges, mental health, depression, vulnerability, fatherhood and family.

 

Their answers are unedited, unexpected and, most importantly, real.

• Language: English
• Publisher: Lexicon
• Release date: May 27, 2021
• ISBN: 9780645107210

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CONTENTS

His Holiness, the 14th Dalai Lama of Tibet

Commander Chris Hadfield

Astronaut, Test Pilot, Space Station Commander

Jocko Willink

Former U.S. Navy Seal Officer; CEO, Echelon Front

Dr Deepak Chopra

Author and Clinical Professor of Family Medicine and Public Health

Laird Hamilton

Big-Wave Surfer and Philanthropist

Patty Mills

NBA Player, San Antonio Spurs

Wim Hof

Extreme Athlete

Andrew Kurka

Paralympic and World Champion Alpine Skier

Brad Keselowski

NASCAR Champion

Mick Fanning

Surfing Champion

Andrew Sealy

Yoga Artist

Jeb Corliss

Professional Skydiver and BASE Jumper

Anthony Trucks

Former NFL Player and Entrepreneur

Kanwer Singh

Rapper and Author

Chaz Bono

Actor

Scott Neeson

Founder, Cambodian Children’s Fund

Stephen Wonderboy Thompson

UFC Fighter

Professor Sayyed Hossein Nasr

University Professor of Islamic Studies, The George Washington University

Khalil A. Cumberbatch

Director of Strategic Partnerships, Council on Criminal Justice

John Beede

Everest Climber, Global Adventurer, Entrepreneur and Speaker

Tony Gaskins

Author, Speaker and Life Coach

Nick Santonastasso

Speaker and Entrepreneur

Boyd Varty

Author and Wildlife Activist

Stephen Manderson

Rapper

Dacre Montgomery

Actor

Aaron Wheelz Fotheringham

Wheelchair Stunt Champion

Jordan Liberty

Makeup Artist and Photographer

Ming Tsai

Chef and Television Host

Sean Yoro

Contemporary Artist

Dr Layne Norton

Physique Coach, Natural Pro Bodybuilder and Powerlifter

Jeff Raider and Andy Katz-Mayfield

Co-Founders, Harry’s Inc

Justin Langer

Coach, Australian Men’s Cricket Team

Tyler Knott Gregson

Poet and Photographer

Paul Roos

Football Champion and Coach

John Wayne Parr

10-time World Champion Muay Thai and Boxing Champion

Robbie Maddison

Freestyle Motocross Rider

Richie Hardcore

Muay Thai Champion and Social Campaigner

Introduction

Two years ago, we had the crazy idea of contacting well-known men from around the world and asking them to divulge their innermost feelings and talk about everything from what makes them truly happy, their life purpose and success; to overcoming challenges, facing fear, vulnerability, dealing with anger, mental health, mindfulness, relationships, love, kindness, family and fatherhood.

That is to say, all the stuff that men don’t normally talk about.

We contacted hundreds of men from all walks of life, and in all fields of endeavor – the one thing they all had in common was that they were known for being exceptional.

We didn’t expect a lot – after all, who were we, a couple of unknown Australians, to expect these world-famous men to trust us with their thoughts and feelings?

There were plenty of men who didn’t respond or who declined the invitation – and we totally understood that.

But, to our delight, 40 well-known men – ranging from the Dalai Lama, to astronauts, Navy SEALS, NBA players, NFL players, Paralympic gold medalists, physicians, coaches, race car drivers, extreme athletes, actors, CEOs, UFC and Muay Thai fighters, rappers, poets, philosophers, authors, artists and surfers – took a leap of faith and agreed to open their hearts and have very honest conversations about all these topics.

Men: Real Conversations is the result of all the discussions the men have had with Anthony and Julian, and some who have provided written responses to the questions, presenting the thoughts and feelings of this diverse group of men in their own words.

We chose to ask many of the same questions to the men, to gain insights into the different ways they would respond. What does vulnerability mean to you? certainly provided a wide variety of responses, as did What is your favorite failure?

There are strong themes in the conversations – many men have suffered from depression and mental health issues; some have strong relationships with their fathers, although many have had difficult relationships with them; many of the men have wonderful relationships with their mothers; happiness is found in simplicity; success is often not what they expected it would be; failure has often been the catalyst for great achievements; and there is a strong need for connection to nature and to protect the environment.

We have intentionally kept the conversations unedited, to ensure the integrity of the men’s responses.

What do we hope to achieve with the book? We hope that anyone, facing the prospect of failure, will see what it means to persevere; that a young man might better understand the power, rather than weakness, of acknowledging his vulnerability; that a mother may better understand why talking about feelings can be harder for boys; and that women will see how respected they are for their strength, wisdom and compassion.

We hope that a young person, struggling with their identity, will know that they are not alone; that anyone who is confronting mental health challenges can see that it is so very common and will be encouraged to take steps to seek help; and that a father will recognize a side of himself he has not yet dared to share with his family.

Perhaps the most important outcome, however, is that it might encourage men of all ages to recognize the validity of their own feelings and to have real conversations about the things that matter to them most.

Many of the men we spoke with have told us that it was one of the best conversations they’ve ever had – to be asked about things that are deeply important to them personally, rather than their professional achievements.

We hope you find the honest and often raw insights from these men as compelling and beautiful as we do.

Anthony & Emma

Why?

As a man I have failed many times, I have hit the bottom many times, I have contemplated my own existence many times; I have experienced grief, loss, sorrow and despair many times and I have failed people many times.

I have also exceeded my own expectations, enjoyed success, celebrated my children, had incredible highs and yearned for the possibilities that tomorrow brings and loved truly, madly, deeply.

In trying to always be a better version of myself, I knew there were people who I could turn to, to seek professional help that might help me feel like I am being a better man.

However, the world is made up of extraordinary people – who better to ask than people with lived experiences?

Over the past two years, my incredible wife and I have undertaken a journey of discovery to find men who have a story, men who have integrity, passion, desires and have shared emotional success and failures with the people around them. Each of the men in this book has revealed something about themselves that I deeply admire.

Their lives have not been gilded; they have had their fair share of failures, disappointment, sorrow, loss and love. Yes, some are well-known and open about their lives, some you will know, others you may never have heard of – but all share one common trait and that is they are always trying to be the best versions of themselves.

This is not a book of how to succeed or a book that showers adulation on the men involved, many have already experienced that. It is a chance for these men’s inner thoughts, dreams, and experiences to be shared and to answer questions that often they have never been asked.

The men have all given honestly, they have shown vulnerability in sharing their own unique stories so that I or anyone who picks up the book will find something that they can connect with, words that will resonate within themselves and let them know that they are doing a great job in today’s chaotic and often rudderless society.

To all who have been in my life, sharing this book with you is my gift to you for all the gifts you have given me.

Love,

Anthony

Thanks

Our thanks go to our wonderful family and friends who have been incredibly supportive in our quest to bring Men: Real Conversations to life.

Love and appreciation go to Ros and Peter Stirling, Sandra and John Denahy, and Mitzi Mann. None of this would have been possible without you.

Our love to our children – Soph, Wynter and Elijah. You inspire us every day.

Thanks to Julian Czaplinski for the wonderful conversations you had – you have an amazing talent.

To Elias Altman, Paul Roos, Emily Mathams and Matt Stirling – thank you for all your hard work and support.

Thanks too to Tim Ferriss for one of the great questions which has gleaned some wonderfully insightful responses, How has failure, or apparent failure, set you up for later success? Do you have a ‘favorite failure’ of yours?

Last but not least, our thanks to each of the men featured in these pages who have trusted us with their deepest thoughts and shown great faith in us to represent them authentically.

DISCLAIMER

All opinions expressed in this book are those of the featured men and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the authors or Lexicon, Nautilus Media Group and their parent companies or affiliates. Any content provided by our contributors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any individual, organization, religion, ethnic group, anyone or anything.

Men: Real Conversations presents a wide range of opinions, thoughts and feelings – and many men talk about having experienced depression, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder, and, in some instances, suicidal thoughts.

If you are experiencing any symptoms of depression, anxiety, or other mental health challenges, it is important to ask for professional help from your doctor or primary care provider.

His Holiness, the 14th Dalai Lama of Tibet

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, describes himself as a simple Buddhist monk. He is the spiritual leader of Tibet. He was born on 6 July 1935, to a farming family, in a small hamlet located in Taktser, Amdo, northeastern Tibet. At the age of two, the child, then named Lhamo Dhondup, was recognized as the reincarnation of the previous 13th Dalai Lama, Thubten Gyatso.

The Dalai Lamas are believed to be manifestations of Avalokiteshvara or Chenrezig, the Bodhisattva of Compassion and the patron saint of Tibet. Bodhisattvas are realized beings inspired by a wish to attain Buddhahood for the benefit of all sentient beings, who have vowed to be reborn in the world to help humanity.

Do you have a favorite quote or philosophy you live by?

Generally speaking, I live by the philosophical view of dependent origination: This law of causality states that nothing exists on its own but arises from earlier circumstances and actions. Things arise in dependence upon causes and conditions. Everything affects everything else: everything is interconnected. Although dependent origination is at the heart of Buddhist teaching, it can be applied in our personal life without involving religion. The concept of dependent origination can also be applied on a larger and broader scale on a collective level, i.e., business, politics, society, culture, education. The practice of non-violence is essential if everything is interconnected. Self-discipline, compassion, kindness, forgiveness, etc, is all part of the practice of non-violence. With interdependence at its heart, the practice of non-violence is thus achievable.

An action is non-violent only when it is associated with the desire to refrain from harming others. The mere absence of violence is not considered non-violence. We all desire happiness and want to avoid suffering. If our motivation is to respect the rights of others and to refrain from harming others, even if we cannot help others, it is considered non-violence. If, however, we take a step further by thinking that our wellbeing depends on the wellbeing of our immediate family, society, nation and the whole world, and this concern for others results in relieving others’ pain and contributes towards their happiness, then this becomes an act of compassion, a higher form of non-violence.

What is one personal characteristic that you are most proud of?

My determination to persevere in the face of difficulties is one personal characteristic that I am glad to possess. I have faced multiple challenges since my childhood. Whether these struggles were within the Tibetan society or more global in nature, I have always stood my ground and have never shied away from taking on these challenges.

What are the issues – whether social, environmental, political or economic – that you feel are most pressing and for which you feel the greatest personal concern and responsibility?

All of the issues that we are concerned about - social, environmental, political, economic – are all interconnected. The direction our world is heading towards depends to a great extent on our education system. All of our leaders in politics, business, and elsewhere are products of our existing education system.

The prevalent education curriculum is too centered on material development and ignores the basic human values that shape our own lives as well as society at large. I strongly believe inclusion of the nurture of basic human values into the educational curriculum will lead to a more compassionate, non-violent world. Children receive love and affection from their mothers. This affection – the maternal instinct of a mother toward her newborn when she disregards her own comfort when caring for her child – is primarily biological. This unconditional loving attitude is what I mean when I talk about compassion as the source of all our shared ethical values. We can promote these basic human values through the development of common sense, common experience and scientific findings. This is what I call secular ethics.

Because of the religious diversity of its society, the Indian constitution promotes secularism. Secular in the context of the Indian understanding entails tolerance and respect not just for religious believers but also those who do not believe in religion. My use and understanding of secular is based on the way it is used in India. I am encouraged that Emory University has developed a new K-12 educational program with a curriculum called Social, Emotional and Ethical Learning (SEE Learning). It is guided by a shared vision for an education of heart and mind. The program conveys a science-based approach to bringing ethical development of the whole child into education.

What do you believe is the purpose of life?

One great question underlies our experience, whether we think about it consciously or not: What is the purpose of life? I have considered this question and would like to share my thoughts in the hope that they may be of direct, practical benefit to those who read them.

I believe that the purpose of life is to be happy. From the moment of birth, every human being wants happiness and does not want suffering. Neither social conditioning nor education nor ideology affects this. From the very core of our being, we simply desire contentment. I don’t know whether the universe, with its countless galaxies, stars and planets, has a deeper meaning or not, but at the very least, it is clear that we humans who live on this earth face the task of making a happy life for ourselves. Therefore, it is important to discover what will bring about the greatest degree of happiness.

Who inspires you?

As a Buddhist practitioner, Buddha Shakyamuni inspires me. There are many ancient Indian masters – Nagarjuna, Chandrakirti, Dharmakirti – whose teachings and lives have inspired me greatly. World leaders – Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, His Holiness Pope John Paul II, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu - are also great inspirations. Scientists I am inspired by include Newton and Einstein. I also greatly admire the German philosopher and physicist Carl von Weizsäcker, David Bohm and Francesco Varela. The list of people who have inspired me is long.

EMOTIONS

How do you believe we can achieve happiness?

For a start, it is possible to divide every kind of happiness and suffering into two main categories: mental and physical. Of the two, it is the mind that exerts the greatest influence on most of us. Unless we are either gravely ill or deprived of basic necessities, our physical condition plays a secondary role in life. If the body is content, we virtually ignore it. However, peace of mind is crucial for our wellbeing. Hence, we should devote our most serious efforts to bringing about mental peace. From my own limited experience, I have found that the greatest degree of inner tranquility comes from the development of love and compassion.

The more we care for the happiness of others, the greater our own sense of well-being becomes. Cultivating a close, warm-hearted feeling for others automatically puts the mind at ease. This helps remove whatever fears or insecurities we may have and gives us the strength to cope with obstacles we encounter. It is the ultimate source of success in life.

As long as we live in this world, we are bound to encounter problems. If, at such times, we lose hope and become discouraged, we diminish our ability to face difficulties. If, on the other hand, we remember that it is not just ourselves but also everyone who has to undergo suffering, this more realistic perspective will increase our determination and capacity to overcome troubles. Indeed, with this attitude, each new obstacle can be seen as yet another valuable opportunity to improve our mind!

Thus, we can strive gradually to become more compassionate, that is we can develop both genuine sympathy for others’ suffering and the will to help remove their pain. As a result, our own serenity and inner strength will increase.

What makes you laugh?

Foremost, I have peace of mind, and I truly believe in the oneness of all of the seven billion human beings. My mind is intellectually inclined, inquisitive, optimistic and cheerful. This state of mind is naturally conducive for smile and laughter.

My first commitment in life is the promotion of basic human values and the oneness of human beings. The main cause of conflicts in our society is our lack of a concern for others. If there is love and compassion for each other, then motivation and active engagements to alleviate suffering will naturally follow. One of my main practices is altruism; this sense of concern for others brings immense inner peace and satisfaction to me. Whenever I meet people, I relate to them as my human brothers and sisters. This desire to create a loving environment may be another reason why I laugh so much.

I enjoy the company of people. I always want to meet new people and make new friends. I love smiles and wish to see more smiles – real smiles – and consider it important to smile at others. I really feel happy when I see photographs of small children smiling at one another. There are different kinds of smiles – genuine, sarcastic, artificial and diplomatic. If we want genuine smiles, we must create the conditions that make them appear.

The Indian police protect me night and day. In addition to their protection, I also appreciate their warmth and smiles. Whenever I ask people if they prefer seeing the Dalai Lama with a serious face, or a Dalai Lama with a cheerful and warm smile, they tell me they like it when I smile. We all feel good when seeing others smiling at us.

My cheerfulness also comes from my family. I come from a small village in Tibet, and our way of life is more jovial. We were always amusing ourselves, teasing each other and often joking. It’s our habit. Tibetans are generally optimistic and happy by nature. Laughing is a characteristic of the Tibetans.

I have been confronted with many difficulties throughout my life. Presently, Tibet is going through a critical period. But I laugh often, and my laughter is contagious. When people ask me how I find the strength to laugh at such a difficult time, I reply that I am a professional laugher. The life of exile is an unfortunate life. However, I have always tried to cultivate a happy state of mind by appreciating the opportunities being a refugee has offered me.

My approach to life is a realistic one. Of course, problems exist. But thinking only of the negative aspect doesn’t help us find solutions and it destroys our peace of mind. Everything is relative. We can see the positive side of even the worst tragedies if we adopt a broader perspective. Take the loss of our country: we are a stateless people. In addition, we are confronted with many painful circumstances in Tibet. Nevertheless, such experiences also bring many benefits. I’ve been stateless for more than sixty-one years. As a result, I have become a global citizen. If I had remained at the Potala, I don’t think I would have had the chance to meet so many people and leaders, spiritual leaders, scientists, economists, artists, politicians, educators, to name a few. If we take the negative as absolute and definitive, we only increase our worries and anxiety. But by looking at problems from a broader perspective, we can learn to accept it as a part of life. I find this attitude very helpful.

When you get angry, do you express it?

Nowadays, I hardly get angry. In instances that normally may trigger anger, compassion arises in me instead. Generally, if we develop a healthy mental attitude, we will have a calm state of mind. Then when negative emotions arise, these will only last for a short period and will remain at the surface without disturbing the deeper state of mind.

What does strength look like to you?

If we have a sense of caring for others, we will manifest inner strength in spite of our own difficult situations and problems. With this inner strength, our problems will appear insignificant. A sense of caring for others is based on the belief that one’s own wellbeing is dependent on other people’s happiness.

A selfish attitude is one that remains insensitive to other people’s experience of pain and pleasure. A selfish attitude will not bring about a genuine sense of contentment: a compassionate mindset will. Compassion when combined with wisdom brings about honesty, which in turn increases self-confidence. This is how we win people’s trust and affection.

Another thing that is clear to me is that when we think only of ourselves, the focus of our mind narrows. As a result of this narrow focus, uncomfortable things appear huge and intensify our fear and discomfort. However, when we think of others with a sense of caring, our minds broaden. When we have a broader perspective, our problems appear less insurmountable. Having a positive mindset, where our sense of concern extends beyond our own, can really make a difference.

What does vulnerability mean to you?

There is a lot of suffering in the world today, particularly for those with limited means of livelihood. Even in this modern age, when science and technology are highly advanced, many still face starvation. It is extremely important to support vulnerable people who are facing hardship and difficulties. It would be regretful if we fail to show compassion and empathy. Likewise, when you yourself are going through a difficult time, it would be unfortunate if you fail to use your human intelligence wisely.

One of the greatest gifts that we have as humans is our human intelligence. In addition, we have basic human values such as kindness, love, affection, patience and other qualities. When we live our lives using our human intelligence and basic human values, our lives will become truly meaningful.

Unfortunately, we are often swayed by our negative emotions. When negative emotions arise, we need to exert effort to counteract them. In the face of difficulties, we must use our human intelligence and basic human nature to prevent ourselves from succumbing to the force of destructive emotions. In short, despite our desire to be happy, we will not be able to find happiness when we are in a disturbed state of mind.

What role does love play in life?

Ultimately, the reason why love and compassion bring the greatest happiness is simply that our nature cherishes them above all else. The need for love lies at the very foundation of human existence. It results from the profound interdependence we all share with one another. However capable and skillful an individual may be, left alone, he or she will not survive. However vigorous and independent one may feel during the most prosperous periods of life, when one is sick or very young or very old, one must depend on the support of others.

Interdependence, of course, is a fundamental law of nature. Not only higher forms of life but also many of the smallest insects are social beings who, without any religion, law or education, survive by mutual cooperation based on an innate recognition of their interconnectedness. The subtlest level of material phenomena is also governed by interdependence. All phenomena from the planet we inhabit to the oceans, clouds, forests and flowers that surround us, arise in dependence upon subtle patterns of energy. Without their proper interaction, they dissolve and decay.

It is because our own human existence is so dependent on the help of others that our need for love lies at the very foundation of our existence. Therefore, we need a genuine sense of responsibility and a sincere concern for the welfare of others.

We have to consider what we human beings really are. We are not like machine-made objects. If we are merely mechanical entities, then machines themselves could alleviate all of our sufferings and fulfil our needs.

However, since we are not solely material creatures, it is a mistake to place all our hopes for happiness on external development alone. Instead, we should consider our origins and nature to discover what we require.

Leaving aside the complex question of the creation and evolution of our universe, we can at least agree that each of us is the product of our own parents. In general, our conception took place not just in the context of sexual desire but from our parents’ decision to have a child. Such decisions are founded on responsibility and altruism - the parents’ compassionate commitment to care of their child until it is able to take care of itself. Thus, from the very moment of our conception, our parents’ love is directly in our creation.

Moreover, we are completely dependent upon our mothers’ care from the earliest stages of our growth. According to some scientists, a pregnant woman’s mental state, be it calm or agitated, has a direct physical effect on her unborn child.

The expression of love is also very important at the time of birth. Since the very first thing we do is suck milk from our mothers’ breast, we naturally feel close to her, and she must feel love for us in order to feed us properly; if she feels anger or resentment her milk may not flow freely.

Then there is the critical period of brain development from the time of birth up to at least the age of three or four, during which time loving physical contact is the single most important factor for the normal growth of the child. If the child is not held, hugged, cuddled, or loved, its development will be impaired, and its brain will not mature properly.

Since a child cannot survive without the care of others, love is its most important nourishment. The happiness of childhood, the allaying of the child’s many fears and the healthy development of its self-confidence all depend directly upon love.

Nowadays, many children grow up in unhappy homes. If they do not receive proper affection, in later life they will rarely love their parents and, not infrequently, will find it hard to love others. This is very sad.

As children grow older and enter school, their teachers must meet their need for support. If a teacher not only imparts academic education but also assumes responsibility for preparing students for life, his or her pupils will feel trust and respect and what has been taught will leave an indelible impression on their minds. On the other hand, subjects taught by a teacher who does not show true concern for his or her students’ overall well-being will be regarded as temporary and not retained for long.

Similarly, if one is sick and being treated in hospital by a doctor who evinces a warm human feeling, one feels at ease and the doctors’ desire to give the best possible care is itself curative, irrespective of the degree of his or her technical skill. On the other hand, if one’s doctor lacks human feeling and displays an unfriendly expression, impatience or casual disregard, one will feel anxious, even if he or she is the most highly qualified doctor, and the disease has been correctly diagnosed and the right medication prescribed. Inevitably, patients’ feelings make a difference to the quality and completeness of their recovery.

Even when we engage in ordinary conversation in everyday life, if someone speaks with human feeling we enjoy listening, and respond; accordingly, the whole conversation becomes interesting, however unimportant the topic may be. On the other hand, if a person speaks coldly or harshly, we feel uneasy and wish for a quick end to the interaction. From the least to the most important event, the affection and respect of others are vital for our happiness.

During one of my meetings with a group of scientists in America they said that the rate of mental illness in their country was quite high – around twelve percent of the population. It became clear during our discussion that the main cause of depression was not a lack of material necessities but a deprivation of the affection of the others.

So, as you can see from everything I have written so far, one thing seems clear to me: whether or not we are consciously aware of it, from the day we are born, the need for human affection is in our very blood. Even if the affection comes from an animal or someone we would normally consider an enemy, both children and adults will naturally gravitate towards it. I believe that no one is born free from the need for love. And this demonstrates that, although some modern schools of thought seek to do so, human beings cannot be defined as solely physical. No material object, however beautiful or valuable, can make us feel loved, because our deeper identity and true character lie in the subjective nature of the mind.

OVERCOMING CHALLENGES

During the course of your life, what have been your greatest personal lessons and internal challenges?

I have great respect for the late Ling Rinpoche, one of my main tutors, whose presence was like solid bedrock for me to lean on in difficult times. When he left this world, although I missed him, I felt that I had to stand on my own. This experience of losing such a great teacher fueled my own determination to become stronger instead of losing hope.

Throughout my life, I have been confronted with many challenges. When confronted with a difficult situation, I first analyze the difficulty to see if it can be overcome. If I can find a solution, I resolve the problem.

If, however, the situation is beyond my control, then what is the use of being unhappy and worrying about it? This is my attitude towards challenges.

COMMANDER CHRIS HADFIELD

Astronaut, Test Pilot, Space Station Commander

Commander Chris Hadfield (OC OOnt MSC CD) is a Canadian retired astronaut, engineer, and former Royal Canadian Air Force fighter pilot.

The first Canadian to walk in space, Chris has flown two Space Shuttle missions and served as commander of the International Space Station.

On July 20, 1969, after watching the Apollo 11 moon landing, Chris quietly began his mission towards becoming an astronaut – when the gap between being a young boy on an Ontario corn farm and the first Canadian to walk in space seemed unbridgeable.

Canada had no astronaut program, nor would it for the foreseeable future, but Chris stuck to it. He spent his time at home learning mechanics on the tractors and old cars, flying with his father and brothers every chance he could. Enrolling in air cadets, he worked his way up through the RCAF, becoming an experimental test pilot and flying over 70 types of aircraft. He made certain that when the opportunity arose, he would be prepared for it.

In 1995, Chris rode his first rocket. He flew again in 2001, installing Canadarm2. He served as Chief of Robotics, CapCom, and NASA’s operation in Russia, eventually going on to pilot a Russian Soyuz. During the course of his life, Chris has flown around the world 2700 times, giving him a unique perspective on life.

Do you have a favorite quote or philosophy you live by?

My philosophy is that life is limited, and you are given a certain number of skills and opportunities, and you are the result of hundreds of thousands of years of people who have had similar opportunities and similar skills in the past who have made the most of them. Your life will be most productive and most satisfying if you make the most of the skills and opportunities that you have.

This is kind of how I view life, and also that life can be unforgivingly short so don’t wait for some undetermined time in the future to do something that’s important to you or to celebrate the things that you have done.

What is one personal quality that you are most proud of?

I’m proud of the unlikely things that I have accomplished because they were the result of my characteristics and the choices of what I did with them. I have done some things that virtually no one has done that were extremely unlikely but also dangerous and complex.

I’m very proud of my three children who are in their 30s who are healthy and happy and productive and none of those things happen automatically.

I’m proud of being with the same woman for over 40 years. So those are the results of the daily choices that I have made and that the people around me have made.

I’m proud of those because they have taken a continuous, careful amount of work.

Having travelled around the world around 2700 times, and seeing the world from an incredible perspective, what are some of the issues that you are passionate about?

I’m passionate about people not squandering the history that brought us to where we are and not learning from it.

I’m also passionate about people having a realistic assessment of the world, not just a ‘Chicken Little’ assessment of the world.

The reason Chicken Little said the sky was falling was it because it made Chicken Little feel self-important, as if there has never been a major problem in the past, but now there is a serious one – so it effortlessly tends to give one’s life purpose if there is tremendous drama.

That’s not at all to belittle the problems that we are facing today, they are serious and complex and life-threatening, but it has always been that way, we just tend to over-exaggerate and over-emphasize the problems that we face currently.

You don’t have to look very far back in history to see, of course, the horrific problems that people in the past had to face, nor do you have to do very much research to realize just how good we have it right now.

The quality of life, the number of people who are well fed, the expectation of a full life span and the probability that all our children will make it to adulthood, the opportunity for education and self-actualization.

To me, it’s never been better as a human being and that’s the result of thousands of years of hard work and steady progress in the human condition, in medicine, in power generation, in scientific understanding and so, I’m very passionate about people understanding how we got to where we are.

To me, that’s the focus of what I am interested in. I think it’s trying to share the incredibly rare and real global perspective that an astronaut gets from the window of a spaceship.

Who inspires you?

I think I had different inspirations and awareness of other people when I was 5 or 10 to what I do now that I’m in my 60s.

Some of them are very famous like, in my case, Neil Armstrong – the first person to walk on the moon. Doing something that has overwhelming complexity and risk and yet doing it well and not just doing it but finding a way to do it that was accessible and thus inspirational, and that inspired me.

I’m a fairly well-known public figure, not as known as some of the people interviewed for this book, and in some parts of the world I have no privacy at all and that’s fine.

But as an example, I developed a standard coping mechanism and that is if I sit down next to someone on an airplane, I try to steer the conversation to them for as long as possible because as soon someone realizes that I have flown a spaceship then all normal conversation will cease, and everything will be just about my own personal experiences from that point on.

What I have learned and maybe everyone else knew this intuitively, is that every single person that I have ever spoken to, every one of them, knows things that I don’t know and has done things that I have never done or maybe I will never have a chance to do and virtually every one of them has done something heroic, you just have to dig down and find out what it is. They are fighting some particular battle or are taking care of some particular problem.

What does being a man mean to you?

I think it changes depending on the circumstances you are in.

In a primitive societal setting, some of us have to be 100% or mostly committed to child rearing and some of us have to contend with everything else such as the gathering of food and the dangers of other carnivores and other predators.

For the first almost 300,000 years of our existence, our technology was low enough that anthropomorphism was necessary and it’s what kept us alive.

With improving technology, that changes. Women are now vastly freed up to not just be in the business of child-bearing and rearing and that’s a huge boon for our species.

We can take advantage of the real strength that we have which is intellect from 50% of our population that we haven’t really been able to up until now because of the labor-saving and life-saving devices that we have come up with.

And so, I think the role of a man has changed and it has changed somewhat recently and in some parts of the world it’s still changing quite rapidly but we still carry the inertia of the traditions that brought us here either because of societal norms or because of the threats, like in a lot of the less developed parts of the world, we still have to stick with what got us this far but for much of the world that’s no longer true and so it makes me rethink the role of a man.

Obviously, you are counted on for your larger size and greater strength in some circumstances but very seldom in my life have those been the distinguishing characteristics. Almost always they have been, how can my wife and I work together as a team in order to accomplish things that, otherwise, we could not.

There was a lot of hoopla recently raised because two American women did a spacewalk at the same time, and to me, that’s great, it’s just sort of natural.

The most experienced astronaut in American history is a woman who has flown in space for 665 days, commanded the Space Station twice, done 10 space walks and has a PhD in Biochemistry. To ignore that or to think that that is an anomaly or to not somehow incorporate that into how I define myself