The 'Destiny' Interview Series

By Liliane Grace

The ebook version of a video interview series I conducted on the topic of destiny. I was feeling confronted by delays in realising some of my dreams, and so I decided to ask people who inspire me how they would answer questions like these:
• As students of personal or spiritual growth we often hear the expression that we ‘create our reality’, but do we really?
• How much of our lives are we creating consciously and how much unconsciously?
• How much from the soul and how much from the ego or personality?
• Is there such a thing as ‘destiny’ or ‘fate’?
• Are our lives predetermined or do we have some influence?
• What role does luck play?
• What about the stars?
• When the beautiful futures we’ve been envisaging for ourselves don’t eventuate, is that because they’re not actually our destiny?
• For how much of our lives are we ‘on track’?
• Can we ever know our true life purpose?

The respondants are experts on topics such as destiny, the soul, metaphysics spiritual growth, relationships, and the way we think and reason. Their answers are intriguingly different, rich, thought-provoking. Some of them speak in quite esoteric terms and others are very practical and grounded. There’s something here for everyone – and a summary of all their key points at the end.

The experts are:
• internationally renowned Human Behavioural Specialist, Author and Business Consultant, Dr John Demartini
• Doctor of Metaphysics, Authority on Human Behaviour and Keynote Speaker, Dr Rosemary McCallum
• Professional Astrologer, Psychologist, Metaphysicist, Maggie Kerr
• Counsellor and Story Consultant, Greg Moore
• Spiritual Counsellor and Author, Donna Goddard
• Specialist in Behavioural Modelling and Generative Learning, and an 'Inner Work' Coach for Transformational Leadership, Marvin Oka.

• Language: English
• Publisher: Liliane Grace
• Release date: Jan 28, 2017
• ISBN: 9780992535032

Liliane Grace

Liliane Grace (1964-) was born in Melbourne, Australia, to Jewish immigrant parents. She began writing stories when she was seven years old, placing in her first writing competition at 14 and self-publishing her first book, THE MASTERY CLUB® in 2006.THE MASTERY CLUB sold out its first two print runs in twelve months and soon became an Australian bestseller. It was awarded a bronze medal for Juvenile Fiction in the 2007 Independent Book Publisher's Award (U.S.) and was picked up by Oriental Press for publication in China in 2010. Liliane developed a 10-session program based on the lessons in the book that has been taught in Australia, Scotland, England, America, South Africa and Bali. She published a sequel, THE HIDDEN ORDER, in 2012.In 2017 she published her first novel for adults in a genre she calls 'Conscious Chick-lit': WANTED: GREENER GRASS - A novel about love, envy, and a crazy kind of courage.In 2018 she published another novel for youth: QUEST FOR RICHES - 4 Teenagers discover the keys to wealth and prosperity. this one teaching financial literacy through story. Her two children's picture books are about Dr John Demartini (THE BOY WHO BARKED) and Don Tolman (THE BOY WHO FOUND HIS PULSE).Liliane began teaching Creative Writing in community houses and adult education centres in 1988 and continues to teach adults in community and corporate contexts. She also offers an editing, writing coaching and ghost writing service.She has three home-educated children, now all young adults, and is an advocate of wholistic living, home birth, time in nature and The Venus Project, a visionary and sustainable future for Spaceship Earth. She is a passionate hobby dancer (ballroom and latin) and enjoys walking her dogs in the semi-rural town where she lives.

Book preview

Table of Contents

Liliane’s Introduction

Greg Moore

Dr John Demartini

Donna Goddard

Maggie Kerr

Dr Rosemary McCallum

Marvin Oka

Summary

THE ‘DESTINY’

INTERVIEW SERIES:

LILIANE GRACE INTERVIEWS SIX EXPERTS ABOUT

WHETHER OR NOT WE REALLY DO CREATE OUR REALITY...

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These interviews were conducted by Liliane Grace. Five video interviews were recorded and uploaded to YouTube and the ‘transcriptions’ are published here. The sixth bonus ‘transcription’ is only available in this ebook. The thoughts and beliefs expressed are obviously those of the interviewees.

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Welcome! I’m Liliane Grace, author of The Mastery Club® and The Hidden Order, and you’re about to read the ebook version of a video interview series I conducted on the topic of destiny. I was feeling confronted by delays in realising some of my dreams, and so I decided to ask people who inspire me how they would answer questions like these:

• As students of personal or spiritual growth we often hear the expression that we ‘create our reality’, but do we really?

• How much of our lives are we creating consciously and how much unconsciously?

• How much from the soul and how much from the ego or personality?

• Is there such a thing as ‘destiny’ or ‘fate’?

• Are our lives predetermined or do we have some influence?

• What role does luck play?

• What about the stars?

• When the beautiful futures we’ve been envisaging for ourselves don’t eventuate, is that because they’re not actually our destiny?

• For how much of our lives are we ‘on track’?

• Can we ever know our true life purpose?

The respondants are experts on topics such as destiny, the soul, metaphysics spiritual growth, relationships, and the way we think and reason. Their answers are intriguingly different, rich, thought-provoking. Some of them speak in quite esoteric terms and others are very practical and grounded. There’s something here for everyone – and a summary of all their key points at the end.

My original intention was to reproduce their answers from the video as a direct transcription, but we agreed that the ebook would be much clearer and more useful to you if we cleaned up some of the repetition and ‘ums’ and interruptions, so we’ve done that to a larger or smaller degree in each interview; you’ll still experience the conversation almost exactly as it occurred. The sequence reflects how the interviews occurred in time.

You can also watch five of the interviews on video via YouTube; the sixth interview, with Generative Learning and Neuro Linguistics specialist, Marvin Oka, is only available in this ebook. You’ll find the videos here: http://lilianegrace.com/destiny.

This ‘Destiny’ Interview Series offers a fascinating and worthwhile read. You’ll want to use your highlighter/take notes, and when you’re ready to learn more about what these five deep thinkers have to offer, you’ll find their contact details at the end of each interview.

And if the big life questions interest you, stick around! I blog and write for adults and youth on topics like creating our lives consciously, achieving goals, relationships, health, creative expression, universal laws, divine order, aliveness, and more! Just join my email list to stay in the loop.

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• the first four chapters of my ‘personal development novel’ for the family, The Mastery Club,

• a 10-page report on ‘Busting the Talent Myth and Overcoming Writer’s Block’, and

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INTERVIEW #1:

Greg Moore

Spiritual Counsellor and Story Editor

I’ve invited Greg Moore to share his perspective on some of these issues. Greg is a spiritual counsellor, teacher and shaman, and also a story consultant, and he has spent many years studying metaphysics and spiritual laws and truth. Greg and I have known each other for quite a few years now, and we’ve had many interesting conversations. He’s played a very thought-provoking role in my evolutionary journey. Welcome, Greg!

Good morning.

Let’s start by defining some terms. How do you define the soul and soul purpose?

I define ‘purpose’ as a greater-than-soul dynamic. If I go for a walk and I look at a bird or a tree or something like that, I see purpose at work; in other words, the acorn that becomes the oak tree is nature’s purpose at work. So purpose permeates everything; we’re always responsive to, if you like, a force that’s greater than us that also has a soul quality which is a more personal level. The ‘soul’ I would see as my higher self, an intricate part of my evolutionary journey, a guide through my lifetimes, a resonance, an energy that is present, not always easy to connect to but always present, guiding me through the journey of life in order for me to learn and grow. So purpose and soul are different things.

Okay. Something we’ve talked about – that you’ve said to me – is that part of our spiritual task is to put aside the ego and to ask God or Spirit what He/She/It wants for us in our life.

Yes, yes, yes –

So how do we to know what God/Spirit is saying to us, and which of our personal goals should be pursued and which not? How do you understand that?

Okay. We got an hour to answer that one?

Yep! No! [Laughter]

Let’s start with some basics here in terms of ‘how do we know’. One of the most important things in terms of our spiritual journey – and this is not new, it’s really ages old – is the consistency of some kind of practice. Your spiritual journey is ‘springboarded’ by the practices you have. So how do you know? It’s really about listening. But how do you listen? Listening is, I would think, the most significant part of any spiritual journey, and by listening you get an understanding of what’s right for you. Now, do you put your ego aside, do you put your personality aside? I think your personality is the vehicle that your soul resonates through, so I don’t think you want to put that aside; it’s more about integrating your more personal desires by listening to what your higher self is saying or listening to what the deeper goals are. So if you’ve got a goal to become an Olympic swimmer, it might be personality-driven, it might be soul-driven, it might be a combination of both. It’s really about trusting the deeper aspect of yourself. And every person’s path is different: what is ‘soul’ for one person is obviously not going to be that for another person. So understanding where your journey comes, I think, starts with your daily practices, of which listening is a major one.

Okay. So with that goal to be an Olympic swimmer (or whatever), you might continue pursuing that goal because at a deeper level you feel it really is resonant with your soul path.

Yes. It might also be a personality desire. So you might want to be an Olympic swimmer or a great teacher or a musician, and your spiritual path runs alongside that. So that’s the tricky part. You can be engaged in something that’s really meaningful to you and your own spiritual development may be entwined in that work, or your spiritual path may be quite different from your life goal. So the person who is a great musician – that’s like a soul energy, a quality. I think soul incarnates into us through different qualities, so the things we’re passionate about and really good at are likely to be soul-aligned. On the other hand, our spiritual development might be quite different and quite challenging. So there’s always a balance between soul and personality, and I think that’s a task to achieve, is that balance. So you might be a gifted musician and you pursue that, but in other parts of your life you might have trauma or challenges where you need to go deeper, which is perhaps the difference between your soul goals and your soul learning. Soul learning is likely to be activated mostly through your shadow or your difficulties or your challenges in life. So being soul-aligned in terms of direction and career and expression doesn’t mean an exemption from a whole host of soul challenges.

So this relates a lot also to the conversations we’ve had about the difference between goal and need, that you can have a particular goal for your life – something you’re aiming to achieve – but your soul’s agenda is the need, what you need to achieve for your development.

Yes, what you need to learn. My experience is that we only need to learn one or two things at a soul level but it facilitates itself or plays itself out in many different fields or different layers. Your learning might be to let go the fear of injustice, for example, so you’re going to attract injustice and justice – a whole host of different perspectives on that through your lifetime in order for you to clear or understand that particular learning. You might have a learning about trusting your intuition. So you could be a great musician but not trust your intuition. So there’s a difference between soul quality and soul learning. Your karma is more likely to play out through your soul learning than through your soul quality.

All right, well since you’ve gone there, it was on my list of questions –

I thought it might be, we’ve talked about that before!

Let’s talk about karma. How do you define karma? Expand on that a little and then we’ll go to the question of destiny.

Okay. Karma’s been around for centuries, obviously, and it’s sort of, it’s trying to get itself an update as this concept moves into more common use. But in its essence it’s simply cause and effect. So what we cause, we effect; we effect from what we cause; or we cause things to become effects, and those things have consequences. Karma is often thought to be a punishment for what you’ve done wrong in other times. ‘Instant karma’, as John Lennon would say. You get it straight back, and it’s either good or bad depending on what you’ve done, and while that’s probably true, it’s a little simplistic. I see karma as the developmental cycle, and an opportunity to learn that which you haven’t learnt in previous times. The nature of karma is that it lines up with your soul learning. So your soul’s not going to come in and give you a learning that’s not linked to your karma. And I think that’s the important thing about it. It needs to be seen as your opportunity. And it can feel like a trap, it can feel like an opportunity, but it’s always present somewhere.

Okay, great. That’s all really good. Interesting meaty stuff. So destiny – this idea that our futures are predetermined – do you agree? How would you define destiny?

It’s an interesting topic. I probably don’t use the word ‘destiny’ very often. I would be more likely to use the word ‘alignment’: ‘Are you in tune with your alignment?’ is perhaps the way that I would think. And if you are, then you could say, yes, my destiny is unfolding. That’s kind of the way I think about it. Having said that, the alignment needs to be somehow linked to a true purpose, and I think everybody has their own true purpose, a purpose that has that level of alignment to the deeper self or the higher self. And this purpose doesn’t have to be a big thing; it can be a small thing. It’s just the thing that helps you understand where you are in the universe.

So are we creating that destiny? If you’re living an authentic life, you probably are. But does that authenticity pre-exist you, or are you finding it, or are you creating it? So there’s a kind of a catch-22 here. I like to think of it as co-creation, which is: if you are in line with what your true learning is or what your authenticity is, the things that you create in life are more likely to have that higher level of resonance of