Eventually grief, which is searing, becomes loss, which is more like an ache that comes and goes. Kelly asks Pulitzer Prize winner Anna Quindlen and award winning podcaster Anna Sale about what and how they have grieved. Together, they share passages and riff about how to find meaning in loss. If you found this episode useful, make sure to listen to Kelly's conversation with palliative care doc BJ Miller, episode #11, "Losing the Ones We Love." And please subscribe, rate and review us wherever you listen to podcasts!  We read and appreciate every review. You can follow the conversation with Kelly on Instagram @kellycorrigan.