With Jozine M. ter Maaten, University Medical Centre Groningen, Groningen - Netherlands, Bart A. Mulder, 2022-2024, University Medical Centre Groningen, Groningen - Netherlands & Giuseppe Boriani, Polyclinic Modena University Hospital, Modena -Italy. Atrial fibrillation and heart failure often co-exist and influence each other. Treatment of AF specifically in the setting of heart failure can be challenging. Recently, new data emerged regarding the potential role of AF ablation in heart failure patients. In this podcast we discuss these in a special episode with a strong representation also from the EHRA Young highlighting the importance of interdisciplinary decision making in these patients.   Recommended readings from this episode: CASTLE HTx CASTLE AF CABANA results in heart failure patients This 2024 HFA CardioTalk podcast series is supported by Novartis in the form of an educational grant. The discussion has not been influenced in any way by its sponsor.