In this conversation with Nathaniel Calhoun we hear about his early years and growing up in Boston, fitting in when there is a class system at play, work in Africa but then with billionaires in Silicon Valley and then talk about biodiersity.  We focus in on system change and how to effect that - are we optimistic or pessimistic on the ability to change things?  As a member of Edmund Hillary Fellowship we also talk about that since Nathaniel was in cohort 1.  A wide ranging conversation, the best type, if you like this check out some of the others in seeds at www.theseeds.nz  About Eco-index https://eco-index.nz/about  Bioverse website https://www.bioverse.io/  EHF interview with Nathaniel: https://www.ehf.org/read/information-sharing-for-public-good  Panel on Systems Innovation from Seeds Impact Conference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKDknIp0rBE Dr James Austin interview on Peace Corps mentioned in the talk  https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/seeds/id1281908185?i=1000394527676 More seeds stories www.theseeds.nz