In this episode, Shobita and Jack compare how the US and UK governments are managing risk and uncertainty in both pandemic policymaking and in their evolving artificial intelligence strategies. And they chat with Jason Delborne, a professor at North Carolina State University who has done both research and public and policy engagement related to gene drives, a new form of biotechnology that could transform our ecosystems.National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine (2019). Forest Health and Biotechnology: Possibilities and Considerations. National Academies Press.National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine (2016). Gene Drives on the Horizon: Advancing Science, Navigating Uncertainty, and Aligning Research with Public Values. National Academies Press.America in One Room (2020). Executive Summary.Delborne, J. A. (2019, January 18). Can genetic engineering save disappearing forests? The Conversation. http://theconversation.com/can-genetic-engineering-save-disappearing-forests-109793Delborne, J. A., Binder, A. R., Rivers, L., Barnes, J. C., Barnhill-Dilling, K., George, D., Kokotovich, A., & Sudweeks, J. (2018). Biotechnology, the American Chestnut Tree, and Public Engagement (Workshop Report). Genetic Engineering and Society Center. http://go.ncsu.edu/ges-chestnut-report.Long, K. C., Alphey, L., Annas, G. J., Bloss, C. S., Campbell, K. J., Champer, J., Chen, C.-H., Choudhary, A., Church, G. M., Collins, J. P., Cooper, K. L., Delborne, J. A., Edwards, O. R., Emerson, C. I., Esvelt, K., Evans, S. W., Friedman, R. M., Gantz, V. M., Gould, F., … Akbari, O. S. (2020). Core commitments for field trials of gene drive organisms. Science, 370(6523), 1417–1419. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abd1908