In this episode we talk to Hiske Arts, Campaigner at Fossil Free NL (Fossielvrij NL), a Dutch citizens’ movement seeking to “break the power of the fossil fuel industry”. Arts voices her concerns about the aviation industry’s contributions to the climate crisis and emphasises her scepticism about the aviation industry’s genuine commitment to addressing climate concerns. The conversation delves into the concept of a “carbon budget” and the aviation industry’s emissions, with Hiske arguing that the sector faces unique challenges to become sustainable. We also learn about the growth trajectory of the aviation sector, with much of the debate centring on the responsibility of developed nations versus developing nations in tackling emissions. Arts maintains that developed nations, due to their historical contributions to emissions, should take the lead in addressing climate change. This view is reflected in her stance on the aviation industry’s growth aspirations; Arts believes that true sustainability cannot coexist with the current emphasis on continual growth. Please note: When talking about SBTi, Hiske mistakenly mentions that they delay emissions reductions until after 2030. What she meant to say was that SBTi targets are delaying steep emission reductions until after 2030.If you LOVED this episode, you’ll also love the conversation we had with the International Council on Clean Transportation’s (ICCT) Program Director, Dan Rutherford, who dives deep into the future of sustainable aviation and the trajectory airlines and governments need to follow to get to net-zero emissions.. Check it out here.Learn more about the innovators who are navigating the industry’s challenges to make sustainable aviation a reality, in our new book ‘Sustainability in the Air’. Click here to learn more.Feel free to reach out via email to podcast@simpliflying.com. For more content on sustainable aviation, visit our website green.simpliflying.com and join the movement. It’s about time.Links & More:The Fossil Free Movement - Fossielvrij NLFossielVrij NL v. KLM - Climate Change LitigationDutch government presses ahead with Schiphol flight cap as airlines protest - Reuters    Would a frequent flying tax be progressive? - International Council on Clean Transportation Dan Rutherford on net-zero roadmaps and transitioning to sustainable technologies - SimpliFlying