Karl Fast is an independent scholar, information architect, and futurist. He's the co-author of Figure It Out: Getting From Information to Understanding. This is the second half of a two-part conversation about interaction and embodiment. If you haven't done so already, please listen to part 1 before listening to this episode.Show notes@karlfast on Twitter Karl Fast on LinkedInFigure It Out: Getting From Information to Understanding by Stephen P. Anderson and Karl FastBruce AlexanderThe Rat Park experiments Bill Verplank's diagram of interactionEpigeneticsAbout Face: The Essentials of Interaction Design, 4th Ed by Alan Cooper, Robert Reimann, avid Cronin, and Christopher NoesselMind in Motion: How Action Shapes Thought by Barbara TverskyThe Alignment Problem: Machine Learning and Human Values by Brian Christian (Bonus: Jorge's book notes) The paperclip maximizer problemPunctuated equilibriumDisclosure: I received Karl’s book for free as a previous Rosenfeld Media/Two Waves author.Some show notes may include Amazon affiliate links. I get a small commission for purchases made through these links.