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54: Suffering matters even if we didn't cause it - Heather Browning - from Zookeeping to Philosophy

54: Suffering matters even if we didn't cause it - Heather Browning - from Zookeeping to Philosophy

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54: Suffering matters even if we didn't cause it - Heather Browning - from Zookeeping to Philosophy

FromSentientism

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Length:
78 minutes
Released:
May 15, 2021
Format:
Podcast episode

Description

Heather (https://twitter.com/zoophilosophy & https://www.heatherbrowning.net/) is a scientist, philosopher & a former zookeeper & welfare officer. She is now a researcher at the London School of Economics specialising in animal sentience, welfare, & ethics. 
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on the Sentientism YouTube.
We discuss:
1:33 Heather Intro - biology to zookeeping to philosophy
- Volunteering, later working at zoos. Getting to know animals
- Studying zoology/biology
- Studying philosophy, shifting to PhD focus on measuring animal welfare
- "Cheetahs don't really like to run"
- How do "natural behaviours" relate to animal welfare
- Trying to take the animal's point of view
- The Foundations of Animal Sentience programme at LSE
- The power of interdisciplinary work

10:55 What's real?
- Growing up in a fairly naturalistic household. Occasional church visits
- Being encouraged to question & explore
- Joining a church group for the community
- Balking at religious rules/restrictions
- Asking questions & not getting answers
- "Science just seemed like the best way of investigating the world"
- Scientists are flawed humans too
- There are many things we don't know & some we may never understand
- We're evolved creatures that have developed heuristics that have been useful to us for survival/procreation
- The dangers of a need for/expectation of perfection
- Dangers of over-confidence/dogma/motivated reasoning in science

21:54 What matters morally?
- Naturalism does involve giving up meaning, but we can create our own meaning
- Hedonist nihilism. What matters to me?
- Sitting between naturalising or eliminating morality, vs. moral realism
- Evolutionary basis of human consciousness, including empathy, fairness, co-operation (and not just in humans)
- "What matters is the subjective pleasure and pains we have in our lives"
- "Our wellbeing is an objective fact about the world"
- Empathy is caring about the wellbeing of others

31:42 Which entities matter? Moral scope
- "I've always loved animals"
- At 5 yrs "When I grow up I want to be a zookeeper"
- Finding it difficult to eat meat. Feeling disgust 
- Saying "I'm vegetarian" to get out of cooking meat in a class, then realising "I could just do that" and going vegetarian at 12 yrs
- Supportive parents: "Now you need to learn to cook!" & being joined by a sister
- A friend was told "You can't go vegetarian"
- And much more... See Sentientism.info or YouTube for full notes.

Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at https://sentientism.info/. Join Heather on our "I'm a Sentientist" wall https://sentientism.info/wall/ using this form: https://sentientism.info/im-a-sentientist.
Everyone interested, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. Main one: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sentientism.
Thanks Graham for the post-prod https://twitter.com/cgbessellieu.
Released:
May 15, 2021
Format:
Podcast episode

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Want a philosophy or worldview that's grounded in reality and has compassion for all sentient beings (mostly humans and other animals)? Then you might find Sentientism interesting. It's "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings." In this podcast, you'll hear about "what's real" and "what matters" from a wide range of celebrities, academics, activists, writers - and interested lay people like me. Find out more at https://sentientism.info/ or join one of our open-to-all, global community groups, like: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sentientism