#175: When most people start with low-code and no-code applications, they log in to a user interface, fill in some forms and do a lot of pointing and clicking. As we’ve learned over the years, that is just an invitation for long-term trouble. What if were possible to treat our low-code and no-code application development the same way as we treat our normal application development?   In this episode, we speak with Gil Hoffer, Co-Founder and CTO of Salto, about a number of issues around the low-code and no-code application development ecosystem and why you might want to consider approaching these development processes in a more standard way.   Gil’s contact information: Twitter: https://twitter.com/gilhoffer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gilhoffer/   YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/devopsparadox/   Books and Courses: Catalog, Patterns, And Blueprints https://www.devopstoolkitseries.com/posts/catalog/   Review the podcast on Apple Podcasts: https://www.devopsparadox.com/review-podcast/   Slack: https://www.devopsparadox.com/slack/   Connect with us at: https://www.devopsparadox.com/contact/