#202: How many people love Helm? Yeah, that’s what we thought. A lot of the time, you’re probably looking for an easier and simpler way to manage installing applications into a Kubernetes cluster.   You might be wishing that you could use something as simple as Docker Compose to do that, but you can’t see a way forward.   In this episode, we speak with Benjie De Groot, Co-Founder at Shipyard, about how approaching development from the human side instead of the machine side can make this possible.   Benjie’s contact information: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bueller/ GitHub: https://github.com/bueller   YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/devopsparadox/   Books and Courses: Catalog, Patterns, And Blueprints https://www.devopstoolkitseries.com/posts/catalog/   Review the podcast on Apple Podcasts: https://www.devopsparadox.com/review-podcast/   Slack: https://www.devopsparadox.com/slack/   Connect with us at: https://www.devopsparadox.com/contact/