Discord members Niklas Kari, Mike Caddell, and Janel Lanza welcome fellow agilist Christiaan Verwijs to discuss his recent article on a data-driven approach to discussing SAFe. It's everyone's favorite framework to bash and blame for the issues in our work, and often the arguments are based on anecdotal evidence. So, when someone decided to do some extensive research on the topic, it got our attention and we wanted to hear more.  Verwijs outlined the research method, how the questions were adapted over time to respond to research participants, and how it's been received so far in the community. Team autonomy is a big part of the data set, as is the reception and reaction of the C-suite. We're not really sure if the data proves one way or another that SAFe is truly bad. Ultimately, it will likely confirm whatever opinion you have. However, it is vitally important to base impressions on various frameworks on more than emotional evidence. This was an interesting discussion of how. Related articles in the pod: In-Depth: Is SAFe® Really That Bad? | by Christiaan Verwijs | The Liberators | Medium  A Theory of Scrum Team Effectiveness | ACM Transactions on Software Engineering and Methodology 5 Colour Thinking and Change Management | CMI Good or Bad? Hard to Say. - Campbell Leadership Solutions   That's all for this week gang: On behalf of the Agile Uprising, we’d like to offer a sincere thank you to our guest Christiaan for volunteering to spend time with us On behalf of all of us on this episode, we’d like to thank you, the listeners for tuning in. If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It helps others find us.  And if this is your first time tuning in, why don’t you subscribe to our podcast? There will be a thread about this podcast posted on Coalition.AgileUprising.com, so feel free to hop in and join the discussion! We also have an active Discord community where we discuss all things agile and adjacent. In the show notes will be a link to our Discord server. Lastly, we do have a Patreon set up for those that would like to help us cover our hosting and production costs. See the show notes for details on how you can become a patron.