Process.  Practices.  Principles.  But what about org structure?  This week we sit down with Cesario Ramos, one of the authors behind Creating Agile Organizations: A Systemic Approach to discuss the importance of organizational design and how it directly impacts the odds of success when trying to perform any type of large-scale organizational change, especially an agile transformation.  Cheers! Creating Agile Organizations website If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps others find us.  Much thanks to the artist Krebs from Machine Man Records who provided us our outro music free-of-charge!  If you like what you heard, check out these links to find more music you might enjoy! If you’d like to join the discussion and share your stories,  please jump into the fray at our Discord Server! We at the Agile Uprising are committed to being totally free.  However, if you’d like to contribute and help us defray hosting and production costs we do have a Patreon.  Who knows, you might even get some surprises in the mail!