In this very connective conversation (Part 1/2), Jeff dialogues with IFS founder Richard Schwartz. Richard had originally connected with him after reading his book 'Grounded Spirituality' and feeling a kindred connection to its message. In this dialogue, Richard shares the origins of IFS (Internal Family Systems), and they actively discuss the nature of the self, processes of healing and transformation, and the true meaning of spirituality. Grounded Spirituality… https://www.amazon.com/Grounded-Spirituality-Jeff-Brown/dp/1988648033/Jeff Brown’s website and healing courses… https://jeffbrown.co/courses/Richard’s new website...  https://ifs-institute.com/Richard’s newest book... https://www.amazon.com/No-Bad-Parts-Restoring-Wholeness/dp/1683646681/Trevor Hall’s website… https://www.trevorhallmusic.com/Trevor Hall’s album, ‘The Fruitful Darkness’… https://open.spotify.com/album/4ahv1YI2hpYOtXZsTIqYyG