In this very vulnerable conversation, Jeff and author Chris Grosso advocate for a spirituality that is indistinguishable from our humanness, one that never imagines itself fully realized or enlightened. Chris talks about his addiction history, and shares some of the learnings and practices that helped him through. Two ‘not spiritual teachers’ rejecting soulebrity and Godjectification, on a quest for that which is grounded and true. Links and Resources:Jeff Brown’s books and download courses: https://jeffbrown.co/courses/Jeff Brown’s book ‘Grounded Spirituality’: https://www.amazon.com/Grounded-Spirituality-Jeff-Brown/dp/1988648033/Chris Grosso’s book ‘Indie Spiritualist’: https://www.amazon.com/Indie-Spiritualist-Bullshit-Exploration-Spirituality/dp/1582704627/Chris’s book ‘Everything Mind’: https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Mind-Spiritual-Awakening-Mind-Blowing/dp/1622035291/Accelerated Resolution Therapy: https://acceleratedresolutiontherapy.com/Henry Rollins: https://www.henryrollins.com/EMDR Institute: https://www.emdr.com/what-is-emdr/Trevor Hall’s website: https://www.trevorhallmusic.com/Trevor Hall’s song ‘Arrows’: https://open.spotify.com/track/3PQIdQjXZQlRT2hoURf9Zs