We're joined by Webflow's Co-Founder and CEO, Vlad Magdalin, talking about how he started the company (over a decade, trying three times), how to nail the timing of your startup, and the future of the "no-code movement." Vlad took his company through YCombinator in 2013, and raised only $3m in the following six years, before closing a $72m Series A from Accel earlier this year. He gives his perspective on why now is the only time Webflow could have worked (not in 2009, the last time he tried to start it), what's changed in browser technology, and how he was inspired by one of the original designers of the iPhone software. Vlad also shares his wisdom for other founders and opportunities he thinks will be available for entrepreneurs in the next five years when robust "no-code" infrastructure is built out. ----- “The differentiator between No-Code and Low-Code is that Low-Code makes this implicit admission that in order to really finish a project, I’m going to need a developer. Or I am going to need to know how to take it across that last mile. In No-Code, the aspiration is that for the vast majority of cases, you will not that. Or, if you do, that one or a few developers that can create the No-Code version that abstracts away the Low-Code version and put it into the hands of millions.” -Vlad Magdalin, @callmevlad   Be sure to follow the Acquired Podcast: Acquired.fm @AcquiredFM Let People Know You’re An LP on Twitter!   Show Links: Bret Victor – The Future of Programming (youtube) Bret Victor – Inventing on Principle (vimeo) Paul Graham – Default Alive or Default Dead Essay   Show Bookmarks: [00:00] – Meet Vlad and Webflow [04:25] – The first and second evolution of Webflow [10:30] – The third attempt at starting Webflow [19:26] – Serendipity and the last iteration of Webflow [25:50] – Webflow’s Product Market Fit [30:00] – Webflow Today [35:53] – Segmentation and the Ideal Customer Profile [38:52] – The No-Code Movement [46:52] – How Webflow can change how problems are solved [48:10] – The rise of Productivity and Creativity Software [54:50] – How Webflow got to Profitability and Investment Strategy   People Worth Knowing: Scott Cook Bill Campbell John Donahoe Scott Adams Bret Victor Brian Chou Paul Graham Arun Mathew   Companies Mentioned in Episode: Dreamweaver Intuit Stripe Y Combinator Corel Draw Shopify Apple HP Tennis Channel Quiksilver Wall Street Journal Weebly Square Space TurboTax eBay Photoshop Wordpress Google Superhuman Notion Airtable Sketch Figma Atlassian Qualtrics   Episode Specific Terms: WYSIWYG No-Code Movement CMS Scaffolding Product-Market Fit Domain Battles Web 2.0 Responsive Design Direct Manipulation Web Browser as Application Platform Landing Page OAUTH User Authentication Web Site vs Web Application Full Stack Node CDN JavaScript No-Code vs Low-Code   Ben and David’s Affiliations: Wave Capital, @WaveCapitalVC Pioneer Square Labs, @psl Follow Acquired: @AcquiredFM, acquired.fm Let People Know You’re an LP on Twitter! Suggestions and Feedback: acquiredfm@gmail.com