Although the news of the growing attack surface continues to heighten, there has not been a necessary change in how we protect and defend. This what Kindervag has set out to change. In this episode, John Kindervag, the creator of zero trust, discusses: How to practically implement zero trust; Shifting focus from worrying about the attack surface to securing the "protect surface"; The future threat of quantum and the fear of falling behind; And the difference between digital and kinetic warfare.