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E13: AI open letter debate, "pausers", and what we're all scared of with AI with Anton Troynikov and Flo Crivello [Moment of Zen]
From"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
E13: AI open letter debate, "pausers", and what we're all scared of with AI with Anton Troynikov and Flo Crivello [Moment of Zen]
From"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
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Length:
96 minutes
Released:
Apr 4, 2023
Format:
Podcast episode
Description
Anton Troynikov of Chroma and Flo Crivello of Lindy AI join The Cognitive Revolution cohosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg to debate the issues raised in the AI open letter, which advocates for a 6-month pause on AI system trainings.
This episode was recorded on March 31st and was first released as a Moment of Zen episode (airing April 1). Subscribe to Moment of Zen for more timely debates like this one!
Also, check out the debut of Erik's new long-form interview podcast Upstream, whose guests in the first two episodes were Balaji Srinivasan and Marc Andreessen. This coming season will feature interviews with Ezra Klein, David Sacks, Katherine Boyle, and more. Subscribe here:
Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/3z8TldL
Spotify: bit.ly/40letd0
LINKS REFERENCED IN EPISODE:
Open letter: https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
Scott Aronson blog post: https://scottaaronson.blog/
TIMESTAMPS:
(0:00) Preview of debate
(3:10) Introduction from Nathan and explanation of the AI open letter
(8:50) Anton’s skepticism of the open letter
(12:14) Flo’s skepticism of the open letter
(16:35) Nathan’s support for the open letter
(22:52) Sponsor: Omneky
(28:00) Differences between Flo and Anton’s positions
(34:00) GPT4 is still dangerous
(42:30) Luddites/“Pausers” are on the wrong side of history
(47:44) Why not pause for 6 months?
(56:30) Anton and Flo debate robotics
(1:04:30) What we’re all scared of with AI
(1:27:45) Is there an asymmetric risk with pausing or not pausing?
TWITTER:
@CogRev_Podcast
@atroyn (Anton)
@labenz (Nathan)
@eriktorenberg (Erik)
@altimor (Flo)
Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.
More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/
Thank you to Graham Bessellieu for production.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This episode was recorded on March 31st and was first released as a Moment of Zen episode (airing April 1). Subscribe to Moment of Zen for more timely debates like this one!
Also, check out the debut of Erik's new long-form interview podcast Upstream, whose guests in the first two episodes were Balaji Srinivasan and Marc Andreessen. This coming season will feature interviews with Ezra Klein, David Sacks, Katherine Boyle, and more. Subscribe here:
Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/3z8TldL
Spotify: bit.ly/40letd0
LINKS REFERENCED IN EPISODE:
Open letter: https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
Scott Aronson blog post: https://scottaaronson.blog/
TIMESTAMPS:
(0:00) Preview of debate
(3:10) Introduction from Nathan and explanation of the AI open letter
(8:50) Anton’s skepticism of the open letter
(12:14) Flo’s skepticism of the open letter
(16:35) Nathan’s support for the open letter
(22:52) Sponsor: Omneky
(28:00) Differences between Flo and Anton’s positions
(34:00) GPT4 is still dangerous
(42:30) Luddites/“Pausers” are on the wrong side of history
(47:44) Why not pause for 6 months?
(56:30) Anton and Flo debate robotics
(1:04:30) What we’re all scared of with AI
(1:27:45) Is there an asymmetric risk with pausing or not pausing?
TWITTER:
@CogRev_Podcast
@atroyn (Anton)
@labenz (Nathan)
@eriktorenberg (Erik)
@altimor (Flo)
Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.
More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/
Thank you to Graham Bessellieu for production.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Released:
Apr 4, 2023
Format:
Podcast episode
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