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E16: Agnes Callard on Dark Empathy, Being Straussian vs Being Sincere, and Philosophical Progress
E16: Agnes Callard on Dark Empathy, Being Straussian vs Being Sincere, and Philosophical Progress
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Length:
80 minutes
Released:
Jul 14, 2023
Format:
Podcast episode
Description
In this episode, Erik sits down with Agnes Callard to discuss her views on disagreement and progress, her inclination to question and operate outside of accepted societal structures, and why empathy is not always positive. Agnes Callard is a philosopher and essayist who specializes in ancient philosophy, ethics, and Socratic communication. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/UPSTREAM
Upstream is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn about sponsorships, email Erik@turpentine.co or head to www.turpentine.co
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TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) Episode Preview
(02:45) Progress in philosophy
(05:13) Tensions between academic and public philosophy
(07:56) Does philosophy make the world a better place?
(09:11) Consulting philosophers
(11:42) Why don't we go to philosophers instead of therapists?
(15:28) Sponsor: NetSuite
(16:56) Making the case for philosophy
(19:22) Sometimes the more you know ain't so
(23:46) Benefit of self-delusion
(26:05) What do people misunderstand about Socrates?
(27:23) Benefits of conceptual literacy
(30:02) Irony in today's culture
(35:10) Status games
(37:30) Being Straussian vs being sincere
(44:15) Is Tyler Cowan Straussian?
(46:00) Agnes' investment into the biggest cultural war issues of our time
(48:28) Why is John Mill's conception of free speech worn out?
(50:12) Free speech is the freedom to listen
(52:34) How do we justify hierarchy?
(56:59) Equality is not a moral principle
(58:14) Darwinian morality
(01:01:02) Dark empathy
(01:07:11) Intellectual masturbation
(01:09:28) Love, marriage, and living philosophically
(01:15:48) What are the questions Agnes wants to find answers to?
(01:17:20) Did we just do philosophy for the past hour?
TWITTER:
Agnes' Twitter: @AgnesCallard
Erik's Twitter: @eriktorenberg
Upstream : @upstream__pod
SPONSOR:
NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/upstream and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.
Upstream is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn about sponsorships, email Erik@turpentine.co or head to www.turpentine.co
RECOMMENDED SHOWS:
New podcast: Econ 102 with Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg
Economist and Substack writers Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg make sense of what’s happening in the news, technology, business, and beyond, through the lens of economics
Subscribe to the show: https://link.chtbl.com/Econ102
TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) Episode Preview
(02:45) Progress in philosophy
(05:13) Tensions between academic and public philosophy
(07:56) Does philosophy make the world a better place?
(09:11) Consulting philosophers
(11:42) Why don't we go to philosophers instead of therapists?
(15:28) Sponsor: NetSuite
(16:56) Making the case for philosophy
(19:22) Sometimes the more you know ain't so
(23:46) Benefit of self-delusion
(26:05) What do people misunderstand about Socrates?
(27:23) Benefits of conceptual literacy
(30:02) Irony in today's culture
(35:10) Status games
(37:30) Being Straussian vs being sincere
(44:15) Is Tyler Cowan Straussian?
(46:00) Agnes' investment into the biggest cultural war issues of our time
(48:28) Why is John Mill's conception of free speech worn out?
(50:12) Free speech is the freedom to listen
(52:34) How do we justify hierarchy?
(56:59) Equality is not a moral principle
(58:14) Darwinian morality
(01:01:02) Dark empathy
(01:07:11) Intellectual masturbation
(01:09:28) Love, marriage, and living philosophically
(01:15:48) What are the questions Agnes wants to find answers to?
(01:17:20) Did we just do philosophy for the past hour?
TWITTER:
Agnes' Twitter: @AgnesCallard
Erik's Twitter: @eriktorenberg
Upstream : @upstream__pod
SPONSOR:
NetSuite provides financial software for all your business needs. More than thirty-six thousand companies have already upgraded to NetSuite, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/upstream and defer payments of a FULL NetSuite implementation for six months.
Released:
Jul 14, 2023
Format:
Podcast episode
Titles in the series (61)
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