In this episode of Upwell, we chat with Nichola Clark, an officer from the Pew Charitable Trusts and an expert in protecting ocean life on the High Seas.In the conversation, we discuss background on the high seas, current threats facing these areas beyond national jurisdiction, and pathways towards protection. We also dive into the dynamics of the high seas treaty currently being debated by national delegations, including key components of the treaty text, challenges standing in the way of reaching full agreement, and the steps forward should a treaty be secured.