In this episode of Upwell, we chat with Ian Urbina, founder and director of The Outlaw Ocean Project, author of The Outlaw Ocean, host of The Outlaw Ocean Podcast, and a long-time investigative reporter covering stories about human rights, environment and labor concerns at sea. In the conversation, we discuss lawlessness at sea, the “maritime merry-go-round” that makes it hard to effectively prosecute crimes committed in the ocean, how overfishing is depleting the fish stocks of a small African country, and the investment of time and resources that goes into deep, investigative reporting. You can find Ian on Twitter and Instagram, and learn more about The Outlaw Ocean Project on their website, YouTube, and their new podcast. Additional Resources:Learn more about the mission of The Outlaw Ocean ProjectListen to the new Outlaw Ocean PodcastIan’s investigative series The Outlaw Ocean for The New York TimesIan’s New Yorker article on the negative effects of fishmeal production in Gambia