I haven't often had the pleasure of speaking with someone else whose life revolves around the concept of conscious evolution: what it is, why its time is now  (with increasing urgency) and how we might move the great, hypercomplex, super-connected web of humanity towards it.   Rob has both a materialist and a spiritual perspective on the ways we might reach conscious evolution so this was a particularly interesting deep dive into what it will take to reach our critical mass. Rob's website is https://www.consciousevolution.co.ukHe refers to John Stewart's Evolutionary Manifesto, which is here: http://www.evolutionarymanifesto.com/man.pdfHe recommends Charles Eisenstein's 'New and Ancient Story' podcast which is here: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/a-new-and-ancient-story-the-podcast/id1047290956He refers to ‘This View of Life’ by David Sloan Wilson - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/246844/this-view-of-life-by-david-sloan-wilson/ I mentioned 'The Listening Society' by Hanzi Freinacht, which is here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Listening-Society-Metamodern-Politics-Guides-ebook/dp/B074MKQ4LR/ref=sr_1_2 ...and he recommended that I talk to John Stewart, and Daniel Schmachtenberger... both of which have been invited to feature on the podcast.