This episode seeks to get to the bottom of pepper's modern supply chain. We hit some bumps along the way, and see the great affection and joy from those who work with pepper. We speak with Dr. Michael R. Dove about Borneo and swidden agriculture, Larry Siat about the changing role of Sarawak pepper in global trade, Keelan Woon, who is part of an independent company in Sarawak selling pepper, and chefs and restaurant owners Mandy Yin of Sambal Shiok and Tom Heale of Naifs about using pepper — and their personal relationship with the spice. If you export or import Sarawak pepper and want to talk about what you do, please reach out to us at celine@whetstonemedia.com. Taste of Place is part of Whetstone Radio Collective. Learn more about Taste of Place here.Find show notes here.And transcript here.