This week Joe welcomes Nutritional Coaching Institute (NCI) founder Jason Phillips to the Industrial Strength Show. After "failing to connect" 15+ years ago - Joe D. & Jason's worlds  FINALLY collide during this [long-overdo] podcast! Highlights from this information-packed conversation include: How Jason "almost" worked at DeFranco's Gym back in the day; How Jason's obsession with nutrition began; The one [nutrition] statement that nobody can dispute; How Jason went from being one of the most hated nutrition coaches in CrossFit to one of the most loved/valued; Is it possible to pack on muscle & burn fat simultaneously; How to calculate YOUR maintenance calories; The intelligent approach to packing on muscle, ie, eating a caloric surplus; Protein recommendations; Eating for performance vs aesthetics; Carbohydrate recommendations, How to determine if you're speaking to a great coach [or not]; The single worst thing you can do nutritionally; Joe & Jason's approach/advice regarding supplementation...and More! *For a full list of Show Notes w/ Timestamps visit www.IndustrialStrengthShow.com Important Links Jason Phillips (@jasonphillipsisnutrition) Nutritional Coaching Institute Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym) DeFranco's Nutritional Supplements