Sofia Wilhelmsson researches a very specific and stressful time for farmed pigs: the loading and transport of pigs on their way to slaughter.  She not only considers the welfare of the animals, but also the well-being of the pig transport drivers. Sofia Wilhelmmson  recently completed her PhD on this topic in 2022 at the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences in the department of Animal Environment and Health. In our conversation with Sofia we chat about the relationships that humans have with animals - both wild and domesticated; what food systems actors have the most power in the pig production system; and whether we can add incentives for animal welfare and human well-being in our food systems.For more info and transcript, please visit our website: https://www.tabledebates.org/podcast/episode35