The field of psychology offers important perspectives on topics integral to education, especially engagement, agency and learning. Teacher, author, and psychologist Don Berg joins Natalie to unpack the concept of agentic engagement and to explain what joy has to do with equity and deeper learning. Show Notes: Two things more people in education should take seriously from the field of psychology; unconscious processing and social engineering. (8:30) Unpacking the concept of “fauxchievement” and why we need to focus on learning instead. (14:45) The “good” that we want to create in schools, namely agentic engagement. (18:30) How the structure of schools is a barrier to agentic engagement. (27:45) Why it’s a problem that we are behaviorally engaged in shallow learning in our schools and workplaces and why we need to look for the byproduct of deeper learning, joy. (33:47) The purpose of education. (44:05) Follow Natalie: Twitter | Instagram Follow the Podcast: Twitter | Instagram Connect with Don: Website Email: hello@educrushpod.com