Our conversation with Ben Shen, from The Scripps Research Institute (TSRI) in Jupiter, Florida. Ben and Alison and I talk about enediynes and their use in medicine, how Ben got fascinated with natural products working on terpene chemistry, TSRI's acquisition of the Pfizer strain collection, and our collaborations to sequence that collection, mine genomes, and develop new technology to access natural products. As always, check out the show notes and get transcripts for all of our episodes at http://naturalprodcast.com