This episode is our conversation with Nancy Keller, a fantastic fungal natural products researcher from the University of Wisconsin. Like we discussed in the primer podcasts, which you should be able to find earlier in the feed, the secondary metabolism field has been dominated for … well, as long as I can remember, by bacterial research.  So it was great to hear her passion and enthusiasm for fungi. And we talk a lot about some of the technical challenges to that, most of which seem to be history.