In a sentence we never thought we’d write: Marissa and her guest, nuclear warfare expert Joe Cirincione,  have one of the most delightful conversations you’ll ever hear on the topic of nuclear annihilation and they bake blueberry muffins. Joe also sheds light on Putin’s nuclear threats and makes clear what we should and shouldn’t worry about.   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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