Bird Burgess, fresh from being appointed as the first woman on the WRU council, talks to former international team mate, Rachel Taylor. When this was recorded, both were still reeling from a famous victory for the mens' team against Australia in the World Cup that morning, but much of their focus is on the women's game."Tails" is also trailblazing in the coaching world, with WRU roles in age grade rugby, and more recently becoming the first woman to be a regional skills coach with the North Wales academy.She doesn't hold back as she discusses the reality of developing a culture with a team. She also gives a honest and open insight into the differences between the men’s and women’s approach to rugby.She talks about how spending time to get to know your players and finding out the ‘real' person behind the rugby player is an invaluable coaching tool.Her motto: Every day is a school day!