Sophie Spence, former Irish XV’s and 7’s rugby international player and now coach of Penclawdd Men’s Division 1 team, talks about her coaching journey as a converted netball player with Liza "Bird" Burgess. Her passion, love and enthusiasm for the game shines through the podcast, along with her relentless drive to become a better coach.In the pod, Bird and Sophie discuss:Moving late from netball to rugby, and how sports skills can transferFrom international rugby player into coaching, women's and men'sMoving the game into becoming professionalAdvice to aspiring coachesHow to learn from listening to others, and being vulnerableFrustrations in developing the gameCreating a girls rugby academyThe differences between women's and men's rugby coachingCoaching a men's team in Wales