In this inspirational and exciting episode Pat Kelman is joined by Business Coach and cross-channel swimmer Claire Brumby. During a far-ranging conversation they talk about confidence, breaking out of comfort zones, swimming in a relay team from Dover to Calais, and Pat comes to terms with allowing listeners to hear more of "him" in the conversations. We also hear a letter from a listener in Minnesota and our Review of the Week. Episode Topics   Episode introduction [0:45] Listener's Letters [2:45] Review of the Week [4.55] Claire's start in cold water swimming [5.50] First experience out of a wetsuit [9:20] Getting out of our comfort zones [17:50] Pat's podcast "existential crisis"[20:20] Recapturing the feelings  [25:25] Swimming the Channel [28:00] What the experience has done for Claire [38:35] Contacting Claire [43:00] Resources mentioned in this episode Claire Brumby website Claire Brumby on Instagram If you have enjoyed this episode, please: Subscribe to the podcast Sign up for my newsletter Join the Joy of Swimming Discussion Group Subscribe, share and review this podcast to enter a competition to win one of five copies of Sarah Norquoy's beautiful memoir, "Salt on my Skin".  (ends Jan 31, 2021)